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[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1468846654' post='3093713'] Given that probably everyone else is being paid up front, no reason why the band shouldn`t be. [/quote] What happened to brown paper envelopes stuffed with cash....

[quote name='mingsta' timestamp='1468250729' post='3089568'] For the gigs where you're going through the PA, then a single One10 gives a great and highly portable stage monitoring set up. Not sure why you'd want the extra hassle of bringing two if its just for monitoring. For the gigs where the backline is doing the heavy lifting, then you have your preferred tone going out to everyone with the Vanderkley. [/quote] Always go via the PA these days, so never need the full power of the VK's. Gear is kept in a trailer so only hassle is back & forward to a stage. Not convinced a single One10 would be loud enough on 100% gigs though & personally I like the tone of cabs that are under control as opposed to being pushed to their limit, if that makes sense. Bit taller & closer to the ears too. That's also the reason I went for two 210MNT's as opposed to a single 410 cab.

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1468248422' post='3089549'] The overhang of the Mesa would be too much for my OCD!! Decision made haha [/quote] Not if you have a Mesa Subway D800 on order too Exact fit to the top of the One10's (well 1/4" over at the back but I can live with that) although the rack fits exactly to the top of the VK cabs too. [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1468249671' post='3089561'] When your band says they can hear "no difference", is that between 2 x 210's and 2 x 110's or 1 x 210 and 2 x 110's? [/quote] This would be 2 x 210MNT against 2 x One10's. Like I say very impressive for small cabs. There's definitely much more headroom on the VK cabs but I can't ever imagine needing it. Both gigs, I had the gain at 1 'o clock & the volume at 1 (not 'o clock, I mean 1 out of 10) on the amp. I challenge anybody to a volume wars with a Mesa M6 amp. Haven't had to up the volume between the 2x210MNT or 2xOne10 either. Keep 'em coming.

So, as is typical with my affinity to Basschat I've gone with the hype & got myself a couple of Barefaced One10 cabs. Gigged Friday & Saturday night at reasonably-sized weddings and the little cabs coped admirably, using a 5-string passive bass and the Mesa Carbine M6 amp. Looked kind of stupid with the rack sat on top but didn't seem to be lack anything, even down to low B. Band members said they could hear no difference, although they do reckon I need a couple of dancing dwarves to complete the Spinal Tap look of the One10 cabs. I haven't done a true A/B & doubt I'll be able to, but I'm now in a dilemma. The Vanderkley cabs are top-class in terms of tone but bigger, heavier (still light) and way above my current needs. The BF One10 cabs are smaller, lighter and produce an amazingly big tone. I'd give the edge to the Vanderkley cabs due to "heft" of tone (there, I said it) & if I had no PA support then my current rig would be first choice. However, with a decent PA all I need is stage monitor and I'm not getting any younger, so the BF cabs are edging it, I think. I'm still within my months trial with BF and got a couple of gigs this weekend to make my final decision. Could someone please help me choose or give me pointers to anything else I should be thinking about. Help!!!!!

PA should be fine. Reasonably new with a QSC KSub & KW122 either side. I might run DI from my Behringer BDI121 pedal tonight & see if it helps too rather than take it from the amp. Thanks for the suggestions so far, any more gratefully received too.

Our on-stage sound engineer aka guitarist insists on me going Pre which is fine. However he's saying the bass is very muffled FOH and asking for a lot more treble from the bass itself! Pretty much 3/4 to full on at all times. It's my only tone control on a passive PJ and means I now have to back to the amp every time I want to adjust settings. My back line could cut cheese with how much treble is being pushed unless I turn down to 8 o clock with 6 being off. Any suggestions?

I got myself a Mesa Carbine M6 in a trade and think that would tick all the boxes. It's actually too powerful for my needs, 12 'o clock on gain and barely at 1 on the volume for most gigs.

Bit of card with your name on it. Bass gets nicked, easy to identify. Simplez 😀

So, Alex see's Tim's rig & velcro's 3 BF badges to the front before taking a quick pic Seriously though, very well done to Alex and his team.

All about being in a band for me too. I'm going to be contentious here but if I wasn't in a band I would turn my hand to a different instrument, either guitar or piano most likely. I see the bass as a supporting instrument and love it for this very reason. Solo or lead bass just doesn't do it for me.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464534834' post='3060147'] A Scooby-Doo luggage trolley. Now my life is complete. [/quote] there's no accounting for taste Mr Discreet, i'm with you on that one.

Yeah, I was thinking that. Or, hows about one of these? [url="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mystery-Machine-Wheeled-Trolley-Wheelie/dp/B000U5K87K/ref=lp_1769587031_1_56?s=luggage&ie=UTF8&qid=1464534454&sr=1-56"]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mystery-Machine-Wheeled-Trolley-Wheelie/dp/B000U5K87K/ref=lp_1769587031_1_56?s=luggage&ie=UTF8&qid=1464534454&sr=1-56[/url] Half the price of the BF cover and even comes with wheels.

I think someone mentioned this already but it's not the weight alone that's the problem it's the size/shape of the lift. I could lift a BF one10 cab if it's 7kg or 37kg. Ask me to put it on a shelf above my head and I'm not sure if I could even do the 37kg. Same with a big empty box, I'd probably struggle just lifting that above my head on own. I have no probs lifting a heavy'ish amp head on to a waist height cab or into the boot of a car. However, I chose my cabs due to weight, size & even handle position (2 hand lift, one either side of the cab) to minimise back pain. Your doing more damage to your back by lifting one handed, even lighter cabs & especially slinging a bass over one shoulder to play a gig.

I've owned several lightweight amps which I thought I was happy with. Then I got a Mesa Carbine M6 and bloody hell, what a revelation. Happy to cart a heavy(ish) amp around for the tone alone. Nothing to do with cost! still have lightweight cabs though.

Can I ask, would the handle fit on the top side (not the side side) of the One10 cab? I have a plan of using a 16" x 12" drum case as a cover/carry bag for one of these cabs. Cheaper than the £50 BF want and probably more padded as well as easier to carry etc. It would be easier to remove the cab from the drum case if the handle was on the top. Although got to make sure the amp will clear the handle too. Cheers.

Hi BigRedX, I'm surprised you couldn't vote. I said to only vote yes if you bought gear because it was light. Sounds to me like it's not one of your considerations so I'd have thought no. Maybe you did buy lightweight to keep the overall weight of your rig down however, in which case it would be a yes.

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1463401362' post='3051000'] Don't think it's completely an age thing. I'm 31. In good health. No issues carrying weight, but if i have the option not to, why would i? My lightweight rig is as good as anything else i've played through. If you want to analyse it, i'm sure some people would say it isn't "because x or y" , but to almost everyone else, in a gig situation, it does a cracking job. Weighs less than 10kg. So i just don't need to have heavy gear. [/quote] 31 is getting on a bit, I'm afraid Even the X-Factor goes for under 25's and over 25's as the cut-off. In all seriousness, I don't think I could ever get my rig to less than 10Kg but I guess it depends on the style of music you play. What amp,cab,combo do you have?

[quote name='3below' timestamp='1463350122' post='3050732'] Midweight head, lightweight cab. Sometimes glass and bog iron head (got to love those Partridge transformers). Unable to vote [/quote] Why? You have a lightweight cab. I did say "and/or" so as long as you chose part of your rig because it was light (not that it just happens to be light) then you would say yes. My amp is heavy(ish) but I chose my cabs because they were a lighter weight, so I said yes.

Not sure how these poll things work, but just posted something & we'll see how it pans out.

As a follow-up to another post, I raised the question whether it's an age-related thing to start using a lightweight bass rig. Mr Discreet set down the challenge, so hopefully the following poll will give an indication on what age ranges are using lightweight gear. I'd like BC'ers to only answer yes if they are using lightweight gear because it's lightweight & not because they liked the tone & it just happened to be lightweight. It had to be one of the deciding factors. Cheers.

It always amazes me that people put their back, shoulder, neck pain down to years of carrying heavy rigs. I think in 30 years of playing I must have played, let's say 1500 gigs and probably carried my gear for 20 days in total. 20 mins average load & unload, so that's 500 hours or just over 20 days. I've slung a bass round my neck for maybe 250 days in total, not counting rehearsals, home practice & the likes. I think ultra-lightweight basses would be the real progression in the bass playing world. To answer the OP, in my opinion; If by "we" you mean BC'ers then yes, I think a lot of us have "swayed" towards lightweight gear & maybe that's down to better knowledge or more likely the type of people that frequent BC. If by "we" you mean Bass Players in general then no, I don't think weight plays as big a factor in people's decision on purchasing amp & cabs. It's what the local music shop stocks, generally that is the biggest factor. It would be interesting to have a poll and see what % of each age group uses lightweight gear on BC.

[quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1463239996' post='3049870'] When you want a hand lifting your gear out, don't expect me at the stage door... [/quote] Every band I've played in, and it's been 30 years now since I started gigging, we've all helped each other with the lift in & out of the venue and the setup of the gear. My cabs are a one man lift now, but when I arrive the others still come & carry some of my stuff & likewise me for the others. In the past, I've had a hand with the heavy TE combos and the likes. I do think it's the BC'ers that are obsessed with the weight of gear from guitars, amps & cabs. Other players I know that haven't even heard of BC don't give it a second thought & most seem content with the gear they use. For me, my amp's still heavy, cabs not so much & bass is fairly light. However, it's a bit like the glass of water story..... [size=1]Small print: I apologise to those that carry their gear on public transport, guess you guys just didn't gig in the olden days.[/size]

have you tried Status Hotwire Half-Rounds? Interested in a comparison.

Surely you need dampening to stop panels vibrating not bracing. Won't bracing just strengthen the panels, so they can be thinner with the same strength?

I have what might be deemed a stupid question .... if I'm correct the BF uniqueness comes from a cone with a high excursion, i.e. movement on the z-axis or in & out to most of us. Is it possible playing at higher volume that these cabs will move? In my mind a light box & speaker violently moving back & forwards shifting air conjures up all sorts of images of BF cabs roaming the stage like demented Daleks