thanks for all the replies ,,,,,ive now had the chance to handle a jazz ,,,,and whilst it was good ,,,,I cant see that's it adds anything to the p ,,,,,,,,maybe its because I'm not tuned in like most people are on here. don't forget I'm old probably a bit deaf from too much shooting without ear protection ,,,,maybe it was the start of gas ,,,,,but ive been through all that with cameras before so I'm not going down that route with guitars as I havnt won the lottery yet . so ill stay with the p's ( bob )/ thanks for all the replies always very useful to someone like me starting out on the ( not so long ) journey into noise ,,,,,,,hopefully it will be music at some point .......more questions to follow in another thread later thanks again. Andy