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Thin Lizzy. Great basist, passable singer, mostly sh1t songs. Aerosmith. Steve Tylers voice is fantastic, dont get the spandex. Dire Straits. No, just kiddin, there's nothing I like about them.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1505381425' post='3371428'] No no no, simply stating facts. [/quote] He he.

[quote name='itsmedunc' timestamp='1505319398' post='3371029'] PS. U2 as well. A bad enough pretentious band but when they and equally pretentious Green Day murdered The Skids song, The Saints Are Coming, they went onto my "Sh*t List"! [/quote] I can understand people not getting Green Day, but pretentious isn't a word I'd associate with them. [quote name='AndyTravis' timestamp='1505326354' post='3371108'] Always struggled to fathom the Pete Doherty thing. Libertines and BabyShambles. Might've been more to do with him being a goon though. [/quote] I've played a couple of songs in our set, the song writing is great, but you are right about Pete. [quote name='mikel' timestamp='1505338698' post='3371235'] Agreed. The Beatles have to be taken in context. Back in the day they were the pilot fish for the rest of the music world. People held there breath when a new recording was imminent. Exciting days, I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who did not live through the 60s. Anything and everything was possible. [/quote] Are you Blue in disguise?

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1505314688' post='3370974'] there's a few songs about w***ing that people don't get, Teenage Kicks is another [/quote] And I'm A W*nker by Ivor Biggun. Very misunderstood but rarely played on the Beeb

[quote name='Stylon Pilson' timestamp='1505294895' post='3370758'] Here's an interesting challenge - can anyone name a band that all of basschat will agree are NOT overrated? S.P. [/quote] Black Sabbath [quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1505293975' post='3370749'] I feel exactly the same way about Black Sabbath. [/quote] Oh sh1t.

[quote name='T-Bay' timestamp='1505249231' post='3370563'] Radiohead, don't get them at all, Muse, guaranteed to get me reaching for the power switch, and........ The Beatles, I appreciate voodoo dolls of me will get big spikes in them, but I don't rate them. They just leave me cold, whereas the Kinks don't half the credit they deserve. I can't deny their popularity but they aren't for me. [/quote] IMHO you are completely wrong about Radiohead, but I can understand anyone not getting them. Muse were a band I quite enjoyed, but they are doing a bit of a U2 "dissapearing up their own A" thing I completely agree about the Fab 4 and the Kinks. Most of The Beatles stuff is inane, uninteresting and derivitive. They were prolific and by the law of probability they did a few good things. My addition Bryan Adams, twee rock pop that my mum would not object to.

Does this bloke at Oxford get extra points for stating the f*****g obvious?

Last time I was there Wunjo had "temporarily" relocated from the original building. Given the recent Strike programme on BBC 1 I expect a bit of a resurgence.

We play in West London pubs and £200 to £250 is the norm if the venue is putting the music on free. At a place that charges on the door £400 is more like it. We also got a NYE gig at £400

[quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1504789103' post='3367321'] Its not independent, but then it can also be related to tab (which is a representation of shape/position on the fretboard). For some people after, but most people during, I'd say notes, intervals, patterns, shapes on the fretboard, chords etc all interlink in a fairly logical way and can't really be isolated as independent aspects. I'd agree that tab (at least on bass, which is tuned in fourths) has a more direct relationship eg 1 string up and 2 frets back is always going to be a minor third; but those things are also fairly logical when presented as standard notation - with the caveat that funny intervals such as the augmented 2nd (for example C to D#) are enharmonic equivalent to a minor third, etc. But there would be accidentals to alert you to this occurrence. [/quote] To be honest this is like saying knowledge of maths is dependent on the ability to write arabic numerals. Its not and never has been.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1504707644' post='3366781'] I know the note and it's relationship to the other notes and within the piece I'm playing. I'm not thinking patterns. I play a lot of chordal stuff, whether played as a straight chord or more horizontally, a good knowledge is prerequisite I think. 98% of what I do doesn't require sight-reading, I'm improvising solo, which again I think does require a thorough knowledge. I'm certainly not locked into a way of thinking, my knowledge frees my thinking. [/quote] Yes, I get all that. But knowledge of the notes, intervals and theory is all independent of the ability to read notation which was at least the original question. In some ways learning theory using tab is more difficult (eg for C minor the standard notation will tell you which notes are flat, tab wont). You have to work backwards or remember the intervals.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1504702968' post='3366719'] I just know what all the notes are. It's never occurred to me that you can play an instrument without knowing what note you're playing. [/quote] Why would knowing the note names make the slightest difference? I know the fretboard well enough to find a note if someone asks for it, but if I'm playing a phrase the intervals are important, not the notes. If someone asks me to play an E# Major scale I can do it. In order to tell you the names of the scale tones I'd have to work backwards from where I put my fingers. My brain works better on patterns than on names. BTW I picked E# deliberately before you pedants start mocking me. Seems like you might have locked yourself in to a way of thinking purely because you read standard notation.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1504696540' post='3366617'] In fact, I'm 'thinking' in French, and translating it into your idiom. [/quote] So vous pensez en francais?

Surely, even when you count the custom shop, there aren't 100 different colour options for a PBass.

Currently leaning towards an Epi ES339, just trying to find somewhere that I can try both options back to back.

I went to a youth club with Cait O'Riordon's (bass in the Pogues, now ex-wife of Elvis Costello ) brother. Coincidentally my now brother in law used to deliver papers to Elvis Costello. I was once held up getting into a practice room in Streatham by the drummer from Razorlight who was parked at the entrance to the car park while he packed up to go. Typical for a drummer to be in the way I suppose, although IME they're normally late coming in .

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1503821906' post='3361001'] Or a thread hijack - dependent on one's perspective �� The OP has said his query was answered in the first few replies. That tends to colour my view. [/quote] Well, as the OP I quite enjoy lighting the blue touchpaper and lobbing the metaphorical firework into a forum. Don't stop on my account I definitely haven't said the questions been answered either. I think it has simply polarised opinion.

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1503416875' post='3358065'] The great thing about most Dylan covers is they are always very different from his versions , so you've got options [/quote] That's probably because no one wants to sound like Dylan. Listening to Jimi Hendrix's live version of Like a Rolling Stone is a semi religious experience for me. Metallica's version of Bob Segar's Turn the Page is awesome. The complete back catalog of Me First and The Gimme Gimmes is also worth a listen.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1503662239' post='3360073'] Strangely enough, something quite similar applies in London too. The combination of crap parking, high booze prices, aggressively anti-noise neighbours, and no space for beer gardens (i.e. smoker's paradise) in Central London means that surprisingly few good music pubs exist within five miles of Charing Cross, and frankly not that many if you push the radius out a few more miles. In my experience you need to be at least out in the suburbs and preferably in the small towns and villages just outside London to get a traditional music pub with a good, lively, interested crowd. It helps that London is so big that each significant suburb is itself a decent-sized city. There are 32 London boroughs and each of the suburban ones (e.g. Harrow, Brent, Hillingdon, etc.) has a population in the region of 250,000. [/quote] I think increasingly its not just Central London but also town centres that lack music venues (and indeed pubs) these days. Hillingdon has rich hunting grounds for some reason - possibly because its on the very outskirts of London. Your example of Hounslow has I think one music pub, and Harrow has AFAIK no town centre music venues. There's still some in the smaller "villages" of these boroughs. As for the OP there's a few places that do attract good crowds (the Horns in Watford but you'll wait a year for a gig and it ain't really London), the Tropic at Ruislip (more like a working mans club and they tend to do Tribute bands and it ain't really London) and loads in Cambden obviously who from visiting the venues are more originals based. As someone said earlier, finding a place that has music is difficult, getting a booking takes time and patience. If it was easy as booking three gigs a weekend we'd all be doing it.

[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1503651608' post='3359906'] No, it couldnt. Categorically. TAB cannot be given to musicians as a notated part they are expected to perform in the manner of standard notation. Thats one if the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. I'm glad you weren't "attacking dots" given the lack of knowledge displayed. Thats the issue here. A deep dislike of musical learning and any (perceived) hint that A may be better than B. [/quote] Apologies for truncating the post, and accepting that Dad is more than capable of defending himself. Speaking as a lesser mortal who was either too stoopid or too lazy to learn dots, the same could be said of standard notation when you give it to me. I'd have no idea what it was supposed to sound like. Your earlier posts were quite helpful on Tab (basically its OK but limited), but where someone suggests it can do some of the things you say it can't you have launched a quite vicious attack on it and reading the last post in isolation would certainly give me cause to think you're coming down on the side of "tab is evil", not in itself but because it creates lazy anti learning sentiment amongst the unenlightened. If I write a song, I do it in tab and annotate as necessary so that I can read it as if it were notation - I include rests, repeats etc as much as I need to record the part, and will tab the guitar parts and bass parts as a "score". So although it might not be as good as standard notation it does do what you say it cant. Could other people read it - probably with some effort. Conversely, with standard notation there are techniques that I'm not sure how one would represent. How do you differentiate between a thumb slap, hammer on, pull off and picked note for instance.

Does anyone on this forum ever listen to anything that was released in this century? Most of these suggestions would be what the kid's grandparents grew up listening to.

[quote name='fftc' timestamp='1503408253' post='3357968'] Have you spoken to your band about it yet? [/quote] [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1503413970' post='3358033'] If you can make the pain bearable, do the gig. If you need to change the lines, change them. I did a gig after a skirting board incident with a sharp implement that meant that night I could only play root notes. But I played them well, so everyone was happy. [/quote] I haven't spoken to them as I did manage to do the practice last night with them. The pain was bearable when I was playing but it feels like its taken a backward step today. I managed to play most of the bass lines using just 3 fingers. The pinky is not usable, and I have no extension between the fingers so I'm shifting position a lot. On most songs this is OK but not ideal, but theres a couple where people will really notice eg: the intro to Somebody Told Me, When I Come Around. We can possibly drop one of these though.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503406598' post='3357948'] Have you had a decent x-ray? [/quote] The hand wasn't x-rayed, they didn't seem that interested in it, although they x-rayed other bits of me.

I was knocked off my motorbike last week. Fortunately it only resulted in a few cuts and bruises, but my left hand is pretty bad. We have a gig coming up on Sunday, and having tried to play the setlist last night I'm fairly sure I can get through it but i'll a.) be in pain and b.) be a long way from my best. The band has been looking forward to the gig for months and the venue is a potential regular well paid gig. We also have another gig the following week at a pub where I know the LL quite well and I'm confident that if we do that well then we'll get a few more bookings from them. The chances of my hand recovering for that gig would obviously be better if I don't play this week. I could cancel, and hack off the band and the venue, or play and know that we won't be as good as we should and potentially end up making a mess of both gigs.

I was knocked off my motorbike last week. Fortunately it only resulted in a few cuts and bruises, but my left hand is pretty bad. We have a gig coming up on Sunday, and having tried to play the setlist last night I'm fairly sure I can get through it but i'll a) be in pain and be a long way from my best. The band has been looking forward to the gig for months and the venue is a potential regular well paid gig. We also have another gig the following week at a pub where I know the LL quite well and I'm confident that if we do that well then we'll get a few more bookings from them. The chances of my hand recovering for that gig would obviously be better if I don't play this week. I could cancel, and hack off the band and the venue, or play and know that we won't be as good as we should and potentially end up making a mess of both gigs.