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[quote name='MoonBassAlpha' timestamp='1370951884' post='2107784'] Yup, that's pretty much a U-Retro by John East. [/quote] Yep. And you can't really improve on it either

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ[/url]

I wonder if he's been spotted by the Spanner from Santa Ana [url="http://www.classicandcoolguitars.co.uk/basses/basscollectioncalifornian.htm"]http://www.classicandcoolguitars.co.uk/basses/basscollectioncalifornian.htm[/url]

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1370945778' post='2107699'] 8 Pages in, and no one's mentioned Crass yet? Hmmm..... [/quote] No one's mentioned Black Flag either.

I don't see Happy Jack credited I saw a video last year of a well known bassist (mate of Janek Gwizdala IIRC) demoing effects in his apartment with a couple of Precisions. He then plugged in a Hofner violin bass and the sound was almost holy! It made me want one very badly. It sounded really woody and funky.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1370881961' post='2106832'] No, as I'm sure I could dig something out to lend you if you lost your bass. [/quote] very kind!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1370822756' post='2106086'] Well that was totally amazing, best rehearsal ive ever had. Keys player is more Dr John than anything else in a very good way, and not over doing it at all so far The horns were just staggering though, really funky, super quick to produce some amazing lines. All really nice people, we got on like a house on fire, and tore the roof clean off the place... Stoked and buzzing, woot!!!!! [/quote]awesome news mate! I'm delighted for you!

[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1370878077' post='2106748'] +1 I was 16 in 1976 - I thought it was all sh*te. [/quote] I was 12, and all I really knew about it was the sh*t I saw in the papers at the time (in our house it was The Sun and the Cov Evening Telegraph), and the weird looking people I saw in Coventry town centre. Punks, skins, mods, rockers, two tones, dreads, psuedo-hippies, skins, all seemed to have certain areas of Godiva Square that they'd hang out in. I found it all rather thrilling and disturbing at that age. I sort of developed into a hippie-rocker when I was 15. I didn't know what to make of punk at the time, it seemed angry and anti-establishment and the press and TV made it sound like it was very dangerous to society, I never really bought that sh*t though. I was just a bit wary and I only knew a couple of punks at school, they seemed perfectly normal except for the hair and trousers

Got a new song in the set, a TGU golden oldie club hit from the 90s .. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVu-OSv1ds8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVu-OSv1ds8[/url]

I haven't even got spare strings at the moment! Can't get hold of the set I need. I have one bass, one electric and one acoustic guitar and my POD. That's it. Risky?

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1370874893' post='2106687'] I guess I must be missing the point with it, not having been there at the time and also growing up in the 90s when the whole 'Waltons lifestyle' was definitely confined to history for the majority of people I knew. Maybe if I'd been there at the time I would have felt differently about it. I did go and watch the Stranglers a couple of months back down the road (dunno if that counts) thoroughly enjoyed them but the shouty 'Property ownership is evil' support band frankly sounded ridiculous in this day and age. Rob [/quote] It always was ridiculous Borrowed their guitars and drums, had they?

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1370874349' post='2106676'] It's what-ever you want it to be. [/quote] I think that's probably clear from the posts on this thread

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1370873872' post='2106661'] What's the problem with Punk Nige? So what if the Pistols couldn't play that well in '75, they'd only been together for about 5 mins FFS. I bet it took Rush a couple of years to get it together and no-one bangs on that they couldn't play. It just happens that most of the punk bands were young and grew up in public. I've seen loads of punk bands play, and many of them are blisteringly good, and I've seen loads of musos who can undoubtedly play be blisteringly dull. Anyway, '76 is long gone, but thank god it happened and blew away some of the fat boring old cobweb farts. Blah blah blah, Malcolm McLaren Blah blah blah Vivian Westwood Blah blah blah couldn't play Blah blah blah cynical marketing exercise Blah blah blah The Stranglers were old along with the 101'ers and jumped on the bandwagon Blah blah blah I saw the pistols and there were only 3 people and a dog in the audience. Heard it all before [/quote] I've never had a problem with punk, mate, just wondered what people think it was/is.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1370873476' post='2106652'] Yeah that seems a fair point, I agree to a certain extent, after all what is music for if not to sir something in those who listen to it. I'm not personally into the the overtly technical approach to composition, always more impressed with someone who only knows three chords but has managed to write a good tune with them. I just always felt punk was kinda false and stylized, marketed at those who wanted someone to shout for them in what was to be honest a pretty bleak period in history for many economically and socially. I guess if it spoke to people though I can see the relevance. Just not for me as a musical style, everything else aside. Rob [/quote] I don't know how old you are, but I grew up in the '70s, when almost everything was 'normal', you know, all that 'ordinary respectable working people' crap that politicians and the Daily Mail tell you is essential for civilisation to survive, when a band like Black Sabbath meant imminent social collapse in the eyes of 'normal' people and politicians. You can't imagine the fear that the punk movement engendered in 'ordinary normal' people. Everyone had to look grey or brown, if you wore colours or odd socks or whatever, people thought you were the herald of the breakdown of society. Of course the 'ordinary' people could wear colours too, but only on Saturday or Sunday, where temporary social collapse was controlled by keeping it in the vicinity of the football stadium.

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1370872306' post='2106634'] I'm wondering if the two words 'signed' and 'unsigned' still mean anything. Perhaps they still do on Basschat! [/quote] They don't really anymore, but saying you are signed allows those who need such endorsements to feel it is ok to like a band, it lends credibility, some people need their feelings to be validated.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1370873050' post='2106647'] IME when someone says things like "style over substance" what it generally means is that they have no appreciation of style at all which I find somewhat sad as they are missing out. To really appreciate anything creative you need to realise that the style is part of the substance. The two cannot be separated. [/quote] Yeah, well said man.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1370872368' post='2106636'] Some passionate responses here, not surprising really, music tends to be divisive like that. I wasn't around at the time, so I guess I'm not really qualified to talk on the subject. It all looks a bit style over substance to me, all that angst and outrageous fashion seems more important than the actual music. Personally I'd prefer a bass player to be in tune and playing something that sounds good... Rob [/quote] But what IS music in this context? Music stirring the audience is not dependent on 'great' composition and instrumental performance skills, it can be very simple and easy to play and still have great passion and meaning, especially with live performance. What you said is like what a classical afficionado would say about Jamiroquai or summat. Music can have cultural significance without it being elevated technically.

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1370871939' post='2106629'] If you're making music or art of any kind the fight is always against massive public indifference. Bass players are no different as consumers on thus respect. In general they are chronically indisposed to other people's music and peculiarly to the efforts of their fellow bass players as is evidenced in the almost perpetual disinterest in the 'recording' and 'gigs' section. Ironically there are often numerous threads directly related to an inability to find new/interesting music. [/quote] And just to add to that mate, the comments I've seen on here stating most unsigned original music is f***ing crap.

[quote name='fumps' timestamp='1370870503' post='2106596'] I love Punk & always will ...[/quote] If Carlsberg made Basschat posts, they would probably still be f***ing sh*te compared to fumps. Best post in the thread AFAIC mate.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1370870634' post='2106604'] If this incident happened in Norfolk , don't be surprised if even after the poor chap manages to track the culprits down and take them to task , they use the " diminished responsibility due to inbreeding " defence in court . What you really need is for this woman to get involved : [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJnA_mt_UA[/media] I'm sure if she was aware just how many great sounds you can get with that Wal preamp she would want to tear the culprits a new asshole . [/quote] Like it!

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1370867010' post='2106509'] I suspect you are right about the second point. Education of members to look there would be the long term solution, maybe a hyperlink to a thread in the recoding section and stuff in footer (like you do Nigel). I think members would be aggrieved if for sale posts started appearing in the section - although I notice a number of "I'm thinking of selling this bass" type threads. For the record I listen to the stuff that gets posted and do visit the recording section too. Just seems a little odd that the sections on the site for specific topics by and large are read and posted in, the recording section, argualbly one of the more important bits of the site appears to have a poorer following. [/quote] All fair comment, I suppose one reason is that I reckon people assume it's for recording questions. Sadly, listening to, or watching videos, of new music that doesn't have a record label behind it is extremely low on people's priorities, even if it's from a Basschat member. They would probably rather watch a video of someone soloing on a fretless 8-string becuse they feel they'll at least learn something from that. It's a shame because there's some top class music on here that's gets very little attention if it's in the Recording thread. Gareth Flatlands' band InFictions, urb's Rae Forrest Project, and (forgotten his user name) Hold The Suspect are three that spring to mind immediately. And how could I forget Clarky's band All The Queen's Ravens, Pantherairsoft (shep) Our Helical Mind, and plenty of others.

[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1370857028' post='2106237'] Someone also told me that if a contractor falls off their own badly maintained ladder on your property, you're liable and can be sued? Is that right? [/quote] If I were you, I wouldn't bother listening to that 'someone' anymore.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1370814329' post='2105989'] In a bid to make a long story short I got lost at the car? I'm assuming that's just how you know the guy with the Wal. [/quote] Me too, very hard to fathom the story without much effort. As far as the Wal is concerned, the pub's not liable surely? Just like they aren't if you get your handbag stolen.

[quote name='Dandelion' timestamp='1370800223' post='2105740'] Sound pressure level WPD, If its too loud and hearing gets damaged whom gets sued? [/quote] See my post above regarding the risks. You haven't stated who you are considering to be at risk, venue staff are covered by the Noise at Work regs and must take suitable precautions against noise exposure, the public are deemed to have made an informed decision to attend. There is no difference in legal requirements for different venue sizes AFAIAA

From [url="http://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/mythaug07.pdf"][color="#0f72da"]http://www.hse.gov.u...e/mythaug07.pdf[/color][/url] [size=4][b]Public [/b][/size] [size=4][b]All loud leisure noise is dangerous noise [/b][/size] [size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]No. There is a tendency when talking about the risk, for the less well informed, to consider only the level of noise exposure and not the duration of exposure. There is also a tendency to sensationalise the risks of non-occupational exposure. For example, a story may warn that rock concerts are typically ‘130dB SPL’ (sound pressure level). This is one of the highest levels reported for rock concert noise. The mean of published sound levels from rock concerts is closer to 100 dB. [/font][/font][/size] [size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]There is also confusion over the annoyance and temporary effects of a loud exposure (eg TTS or temporary threshold shift) which are widespread, and the risk of permanent hearing damage, which is minimal. Studies show that most listeners sustain moderate TTS and recover within a few hours to a few days after exposure. The risk of sustaining permanent hearing loss from attending rock concerts is small, and limited to those who frequently attend such events. [/font][/font][/size] [size=4][b]So audiences will have to wear ugly ear defenders at concerts in future [/b][/size] [size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]No. The Regulations do not apply to members of the public. When attending concerts they are making an informed choice to do so. They attend relatively infrequently when compared to workers. However, members of the public can and do buy their own earplugs. [/font][/font][/size] [size=4][b]If I like music, it is less damaging to my ears [/b][/size] [size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]If your ears are regularly exposed to the equivalent of excessive industrial noise levels you are at risk of hearing damage, irrespective of whether music is enjoyable or not. While music we like may be less stressful, that in itself does not act as a mechanism to prevent hearing damage. Noise exposure is determined by the volume of sound and the duration for which it continues. [/font][/font][/size]