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[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1370863971' post='2106417'] No. [/quote] My thought too.

[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1370862401' post='2106368'] (in its original and purest form) Music played by people who can't play, and don't care, for people who can't tell, and don't care. [/quote] Is punk only about music?

[quote name='chaypup' timestamp='1370860353' post='2106317'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PIckHrZ0o[/media] [/quote] I've worn mine out

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1370800254' post='2105741'] I think it has occasionally turned into other sections. Maybe a bit too many of the 'here's my new band vid/CD/website/song' (delete as appropriate) that should be elsewhere. I don't get too excised about it though. [/quote] If BC members could be bothered to go to the recording section and listen to other members' music and watch their videos, then the posting of them in GD might lessen since there would be little need. But I suppose the majority of members would rather talk about, rather than actually listen, to music.

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1370700919' post='2104597'] On topic? [/quote] Not with you mate. What do you mean?

[b] General Discussion[/b] [color=#7F7F7F][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] If its bass[b] or music related[/b] and doesn't fit one of the other more specific forums, then put it here.[/size][/font][/color]

[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1370693091' post='2104452'] Yep - plays the part of the bloke who doesn't want his convertible soaked? Frank Vincent's a bit of a legend - got his own website where he sells his Billy Batts merch - I want one of the talking dolls! . [b]And he got his own back on Joe Pesci in "Casino" .[/b] [/quote] That's a horrible scene that!

[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1370692337' post='2104443'] "I'm just breaking your b*lls a little bit" - gotta love the ill fated Billy Batts! [/quote] He's such a funny geezer. Have you seen him in Do The Right Thing by Spike Lee?

Best sound/s I've ever had are the ones I have now. Best sound I ever heard was Chris Squire's on Siberian Khatru on the Yessongs live album.

[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1370687611' post='2104350'] I used to be of the opinion that The Beatles were overrated, but once I heard the double CD compilation album of all the material between 1967 & 1970, my thought process changed completely. What a lot of people forget, is that The Beatles were (IMO) revolutionary [b]for their era[/b], and wrote and recorded some great songs. The Beatles were not a "manufactured" band like The Monkees and The Archies (to name a couple) - they were four lads who earned their stripes scuffling around the circuit for a few years (like a lot of great bands between the 1960's and 1990's) before they hit the big time. I don't think the likes of The Wanted or One Direction have had to do that have they? You have to remember that a lot of modern pop music is aimed at the 13 - 25 year old bracket (for the most part) as the record companies identify that age range as having a lot of "disposable income" (even in a recession). It's instantly forgettable cack that will not stand the test of time compared to anything written by Lennon and McCartney. [/quote] Love your avatar Now go and fetch yer f***in shine box!

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1370655040' post='2104132'] Eh, semantics. Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees. I really don't care about anyone's definition of "punk." My point was...he was a rebellious type, kept in line by Mac who was more of a people pleaser. When you have that attitude and the world looks to you as a spokesman and you;re 24 years old, it's a reality none of us can comprehend. At any rate -- try singing and playing All My Lovin. Or "You Won't See Me." Or "Just Another Day." Mac did it like it was second nature. [/quote] Do you love Rickenbackers by any chance?

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1370653340' post='2104116'] It's a great honour Sir! There are lots of definitions to the term Punk. Before the 1970s i'd heard it mostly in American films. Humphrey Bogart may have unceremoniously slapped someone around the kisser before calling them a no good punk. Before that i understand it simply meant low or worthless and sometimes a harlot. [/quote] Likewise, thank you I think were trying to define the values of the the punk MOVEMENT I suppose.

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1370647571' post='2104071'] Ian Brown's singing will do that [/quote]

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1370644229' post='2104037'] Trouble is, the Beatles have been the subject of discussion and erudite analysis for so long that almost everything has been said that can be said. Their musical structures, their influence on fashion, fashion's influences on them, what they did on the afternoon of January 4th 1967, what Lennon said to Ringo about George Martin's milkman. Pretty much all been done, to the point where you could probably write a book entitled 'What Would Life Be Like If The Beatles Had Never Happened?' with photoshopped pix of Russian troops in East Berlin in 2010 because, without the Beatles, Glasnost never happened. So how do we get out of the ruts carved by generations of fans and critics? Specialist topics like yours could help, but the ever-present danger is the slump back into 'Weren't the Beatles great / sh*t?' Even if we try and we want to succeed with the greatest of clarity, we'd have to frame the question really tightly, with definitions, limits, citations etc. Some family tree software with embedded sound files would be good, too. Perhaps the best thing to do is wait for the last Beatle to drop off the twig, give it another 25 years and see what people have to say then. Because some of the (contemporaneously) biggest names in popular art of the last 100 years are hardly spoken of today. Gilbert Patten (1866-1945) sold an estimated 500m kids books - 50m more than JK Rowling. Who's heard of him? [/quote] Yeah I know I just had the temerity to think I had a new angle

I've never been sure. L[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ady xilddx was a punk in the days when it kicked off in London in the '70s. I just asked her opinion on this and she said punks revelled in shallowness and never took themselves seriously. Out of the Beatles she reckons Ringo was the punk, and that Lydon was too cynical to be a punk, and that Sid was the real punk in the Pistols.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]So what do you reckon punk is?[/font][/color] [Thread concept credited to BetaFunk]

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1370645187' post='2104044'] I won't defend Lennon because he could be a real jerk at times. [color=#ff0000][b]But realize, he was the original "punk"[/b][/color] and had the world adoring him until his "retirement" at the age of 30. They say Beethoven wasn't a nice man either. That doesn't diminish his contribution. And glad to hear you're coming around to appreciating the boys. There's plenty more. [/quote] OK, lady xilddx was a punk in the days when it kicked off in London in the '70s. I just asked her opinion on your statement - she said Lennon thought he was an intellectual and took himself far too seriously to be a punk. That punks were quite the opposite and revelled in shallowness and never took themselves seriously. Out of the Beatles she reckons Ringo was the punk in the Beatles, and that Lydon was too cynical to be a punk, and that Sid was the real punk in the Pistols.

[quote name='Stan_da_man' timestamp='1370621347' post='2103623'] Plus the one. Are these threads created to just start pointless arguments on the forum between members? Seems like it to me. [/quote] Did you read my OP mate? Or are you intent on causing trouble? If you read my OP you would realise it was not to cause arguments but to explore a train of thought.

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1370618409' post='2103585'] this made me lol teehee [/quote] But this is the thing, I'm not being naughty in this instance. It was a partially formed train of thought that I decided to solicit opinion on, but also I wondered if people wuld be able to discuss it objectively, it's clear that some can and some are made completely thought-blind when the Beatles are mentioned. I was not implicating the Beatles directly and I thought I'd made that clear, said to read all my post, but still some people didn't and their comments reflected that. The phenomenon of the Beatles is very interesting, their influence should be discussed, but it's largely a waste of f***ing time innit There have been a few very good posts on here though.

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1370618352' post='2103582'] Nige can i ask? is your John Lennonophobia similar to my Liam Gallagherophobia like youd rather rip his face from his skull with a claw hammer than listen to his insidious nasal whining ? [/quote] Somewhat perhaps But Liam's just a thick c*nt with an attitude, Lennon was a highly intelligent and articulate person who took delight in belittling people for pleasure. I understand he apologised occasionally but I can't abide that sort of emotional cruelty. It's so f***ing hard for me to like his music because of that, but nevertheless, I adore She Said She Said.

[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1370546861' post='2102589'] I don't see how the Beatles can be held responsible for a lack of innovation on the part of other people. The title of this thread is a little too combative for my tastes also. Are you trying particularly hard to be controversial today? [/quote] Better?

OK OK OK!! READ what I've written, don't react like you just found out I pooched your mum after your dad went out to see Dean Friedman again. I'm barely familiar with the Beatles music (always disliked them since I was little and I still think Lennon was a nasty piece of work), but I thought I should at least give an album a try and Basschatters recommended Revolver to me yesterday. So I bought it and have listened to the album three times since last night. I quite like the album, I doubt I'll ever be a fan, but some songs like She Said She Said and Tomorrow Never Knows blew me away, some of the others are getting there. HOWEVER, I was surprised that it all felt very familiar. I realised that this is likely because even now, many mainstream pop acts are derivatives, hip hop being the general exception. There was nothing like the Beatles before them, they innovated, they are the most iconic, successful and enduring pop band ever unless I'm mistaken. Is the music INDUSTRY still thinking that to get another Beatles on their disgusting leeching books, they have to find a band that sounds like them in modern guise? Have the Beatles unwittingly created a set of boundaries that the industry is incapable of transcending in its quest for massive pop hits? Have they misjudged the young so much that they think they cant accept real innovation in mainstream pop music?

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1370519932' post='2102094'] To be honest I find it hard to listen to any one Beatles album all the way through, I've several playlists of ballads, funky stuff (or funky for the time), rock etc. I like the Past Masters compilation album for this reason (Rain is genius), also the red & blue albums, which were definitive listening as a kid, in fact I could probably list all the tracks in order off the top of my head. And don't you come near me with your 'Beatles' 'mediocre' in the same sentence malarky young man C [/quote] I didn't say the B's were mediocre, only those who are in thrall to them

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1370519424' post='2102082'] Owch, you will get replies now Nige, i reckon... [/quote] Not the Beatles fault! Just the drones that reckon they define the boundaries of pop music and can't break out of them.

[quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1370518531' post='2102066'] I can say for sure, learning their songs as a child, breaking down how they worked, was a great and very accessible musical education in pop music harmony, melody/polyphony and arrangement. [/quote] I was wondering last night if The Beatles are responsible for a lot of the mediocrity in mainstream pop, much like Led Zep are for rock bands. No conclusions were reached

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1370462552' post='2101435'] I find that Harrison's songs are usually among my favourites on the Beatles albums and revolver is no exception. Taxman has a nice bass line, as shown here: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGHRrHMxORY[/media] In fact, all things considered, my favourite 'beatles' album could just be All Things Must Pass. [/quote] It's a good song, not doing it for me yet though. Liking Dr Robert.