Musicman20

Nice, looks like you picked a great cab! Not only that, but the attention to detail on the Bergs, and the crossover, are exactly why they sell so well and sound great. How does it pair with the Streamliner?

I thought the S12 was supposed to cover 4x12 volume? If you want the traditional rock rig, get the Ampeg 8x10.

To me it gets to the point where you say 'how far do I go with this'. If its a mid bumped cab (which is what I tend to go for, eg the Aguilar DB series) or any tone profile suited for a bass guitar, then just enjoy the damn thing and play it if it sounds great. Everyone has recently become obsessed with a flat tone at 12 o'clock and a PA-like bass cab. To me, it doesn't matter. If it sounds great in the mix, I'm done...but it has to please me solo first. Who would put 'sh*t in'?! I certainly wouldn't. It's very hard to get a totally rubbish bass tone unless its player error or a bass with electrical issues.

I've played one! Nice quality, big tone, coil taps, 2 band EQ, very versatile. It was priced at £2k!!! They agreed they could match the usual £1.5 ish k, but I still think that's quite a lot for a Euro. I'd see if Bass Direct can get you a bolt on USA model...they have one in I think.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1368789006' post='2081473'] He also said that their likely perception will be that the TH sounds 'louder' than the AG if they're used to a DB because of the frequencies at which it's working (if that makes sense - he explained it much better than this!). [/quote] I think its due to a mid voiced pre...which is something I personally really like.

[size=3][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]The whole amp design makes a huge different to how much slam the amp will have. Not just the power section, etc.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I've used and heard some Class D lightweight amps, (without a large traditional transformer) that sound absolutely huge and compete with the big tradtional amps.[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Voicing is critical. If the amp is fairly middy when flat, [color=#000000]like the Tonehammer 500, or the Thunderfunks, then the amp can seem much louder. Some of the lower wattage TF’s have a very tight bass/hi pass filter response (which I like) which means wattage isn’t wasted on huge low end. Genz incorporated the same tight response on the Shuttle amps, which I personally like.[/color][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][color=#000000]Also, any indication of volume cannot come from the actual knob positions. A Markbass amp usually hits top volume at about 12/1 o’clock.[/color][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][color=#000000]I’ve heard that the TH500 slams, and is very loud. If the treble went a little higher on it, I’d try one out, (although I already have the pedal so I can just use the power section on one of my amps).[/color][/font][/size]

The single is killing it in the clubs...love it.

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1368637417' post='2079592'] Did you post on the wrong thread? Not a single person has mentioned 'clinical tone', apart from you! [/quote] Uncoloured / flat - can come across clinical. I think without input from Jim Bergantino and/or Genz, this whole thread is rather unfair. I think we should put the 'complaint' about the Berg cabs into context.

PS - I've been deciding between the GB and Berg for a few weeks. Still not sure which to buy.

Surely it doesn't matter if its a little coloured, as long as its a good, well built cabinet with a nice tone. All this talk of clinical tone makes me think no one wants a personality!

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1368521822' post='2077882'] Not heard about Fender winding up the brand, but you could ask Mansons [/quote] Apparently its due the end of 2013, along with (quite stupidly) Genz Benz. However, word on the street is that the Genz chaps will be working on new lightweight amps with Fender, (so basically re-branding the line).

Hi Graham I'd act fast as apparently they are going to be shut down soon.

[quote name='Gareth Hughes' timestamp='1368397232' post='2076680'] This sums up my set-up to a T!!!! It's a cruel irony that I love all of these elements but they just won't play nice with each other. [/quote] Ay, its something I never thought would even exist until I came on here more regularly and discussed it with KJung on Talkbass. It's quite mad that you have to pair up the right amp/cab, but I guess that's why I often buy the matching cabs with an amp...if they are something I like. J basses are sometimes a real pain for me. I love the solo tone, and I can get the pups solo'd to work in a mix, but the traditional Jazz all on tone just disappears for me...hence I barely ever gig a J bass. I

I doubt I'd dare buy anything from them now, in case anything was to happen to them again. It's a very tough time for retail at the moment, but what is also bad for the economy in general is that events like this put people off buying, even with credit card protection. I've almost been in this situation twice, so I'm extremely cautious now.

I tend to struggle once you have a mid dip cab, a bass heavy amp, and a jazz bass! Mid dips all over the place. Sounds nice though.

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1368357663' post='2075994'] So are the CN and the HD in the same size box? [/quote] From the pics, it seems the CN 212 and AE 212 are different sizes...not sure on the HDs.

[quote name='jonno1981' timestamp='1368355795' post='2075960'] Are they really going to be selling Sandbergs at £800-£850? That's going to screw over the UK distributor who has worked really hard to build the brand over here. [/quote] Presumably yes, as they are direct from Germany.

I understand an amp is for everyone, but there are so many amps with the same small mid dip its unreal...but because it hasn't become an Internet myth (all Stingrays are one trick ponys etc) no one worries. Check out some of the Gallien amps. Most of them have a similar if not more extreme flat tone. The new MBs have a huge low end, lots if aggressive sizzle, and a dip in the mids. Orange, Fender, even Mesa amps can have it too.

Probably why I got such an incredibly good price on a product two months back...but to be honest, I suspected this and I got exactly what I wanted and very cheap. The warranty isn't with the store anyway; it's with the UK supplier.

[quote name='Gareth Hughes' timestamp='1368313636' post='2075686'] Folks - thanks for all the food for thought. More experiments will continue. I like the bypassing the amp pre and going straight into the power amp idea, but the Streamliner pre really is lovely. There's a softness to it that I'm loving after a lifetime of being a solidstate user. And for that reason I'm finding the Markbass LMK a little too dry sounding now. [/quote] I agree. The tone is very warm. Stunning preamp design.

I don't find the Streamliner to have a large scoop. Maybe a little one all set at 12, but a few clicks and that's out of the way. If a cab has a mid hole, it's harder to get amps to work with it. Good cabs with a nice mid bump: TC RS cabs GK Neo 115/212 Aguilar DB cabs ...apparently the Berg CNs are great for low mid punch.

[quote name='Ou7shined' timestamp='1368269248' post='2075115'] They don't mind sticking the G string a bit close to the edge eh [/quote] Yep, that looks way off.

Could potentially be the start of price wars (those Sandberg prices...wow!) and maybe the sign of what's to come (eg maybe the UK will start having huge superstores owning most the music shops...who knows).

[quote name='phsycoandy' timestamp='1368216048' post='2074661'] Indeed possibly though I don't want to appear like a complete jerk! plus i will be mailing the whole team thanking them for the thoroughly professional way they dealt with my order from start to finish, I cannot fault the process or the product. And when you come to figure what a new metro costs from guitarguitar this was a [b]very[/b] few hundred pounds more all in all, delivered to my door. [/quote] Really?! Crackers. Can't believe they are that good a price. What a great bass.

Seems like a good time to buy to be honest. If Music Store essentially own it, they can undercut like crazy. Have you seen how cheap those Sandbergs are?!