Al Krow

Damn he's good!

Had a bit of think about best place for HPF when introducing new low freqs via octave-down and filter, and decided to compromise by putting it mid-board immediately before my little Zoom multifx but after all the additional low-f stuff. I'll have to 'fess to having an ulterior motive in that I've got a couple of pedals offboard that I was really keen to find some space for, so I took the opportunity to sling the Thumpinator below board as an "always-on" pedal and have now slotted in a Pigtronix Octava in its place.

You're too kind Mr Way-Slimmer-than-Me 😂 And Sarah is defo one of my fav BC'ers simply for having started the best bass thread ever (and for being a Midlander, of course), so... The real expert (and a long long way ahead of me on this stuff!) is @Quatschmacher FWIW - I've had a SYB-5 and it was very glitchy. In fact it was my most disappointing purchase of that year! The replacement Boss SY-1 is streets ahead of it in tracking and other features. Not sure it can do what the OP is after though. In fact the answer might be to avoid a bass pedal entirely and, for the same price, get this:

However... Fair enough and each to their own. But pleased to read just a few weeks later... So, looks like we all now kinda agree? Enjoy your Yamaha, they can and do make a mighty fine bass! 😊

But a good shock hearing what it's capable of with the gain ramped? I have fan noise with my Mesa M6, which is something I just expect when I turn the thing on and instantly forget the moment I play a note. I'm hoping the same will be true on the Bugera Veyron.

Done 😊 And if anyone else would like their "wall of shame" entry on the OP updating or being included for the first time - please feel free to let me know (on here or by PM) and I'll happily oblige. It's informative / nice to know what folk are playing and deciding to hold on to - particularly as a few of the models are over 30 years old and all the way through to the PH released just a few months back which shot straight to the top of the popularity charts, certainly on this side of the pond!

Congrats!! Looking at the "wall of shame" on the OP it seems that BB415s are pretty rare beasts, in fact you're the only out of all of us who I know has one!

@FDC484950 really good post, thanks. However I don't think anyone really notices whether we're playing 4 or 5 strings though, so it's a little different to a big drum kit taking up a lot of stage presence? I mean it was two hours into the first rehearsal that I took a 5 string to before my bandmates spotted the change, and even then it was only when I stopped and asked them if there was anything different about my set up! 😂 But perhaps a 6 string bass is a little more unusual in that regard? But my sense is actually not that much really and if it was played well no one is going to mind at all - it certainly doesn't take up any more stage presence than a 4 string. On the other hand you might be expected in some quarters or at the recording studio to turn up with a Fender P.

The best review I've found on YT of the 1001M. Nice warts and all "honest" review and very thorough. (With subtitles for the hard of foreign language speakers like me 😁) Damn I wasn't expecting that juicy break up at 3.20! That's made my mind up!

Well it's a toss up between this and the TC RH750 currently on sale for £349 at Andertons, for a spare / back-up amp for me with wedding gigs starting up again. Both look very good value. Besides, there always does seem to be a price for starting a BC thread... 😁

DV247 currently have the 1001M in stock for just under £200 (without the several month wait that Amazon seemed to be having when we were last posting on here), if anyone is on the look out for a well featured budget amp. Bugera BV1001M Veyron Mosfet Head | DV247 | en-GB Obviously folk won't have had much chance to use theirs in anger since the last posts on here which were immediately before lockdown kicked in, but be good to hear from those of you who pulled the trigger on one of these if you've all still held onto your Veyrons and are rating them?

Be interesting to know there's a difference in price between those and the 424 and 2024 pup prices.

If Handbox did an R-600 or R-750 I'd get one tomorrow as I typically play without PA support. So my hesitation is 8 ohm cab = limited to around 200W with the R-400. Wat can't you put in a word? 😉

+1^^ for old school Mesa. Only small "disagreement" is that for me the Mesa M6 is fantastic: I've not come across anything better yet; but clearly my cleanliness doesn't match up to thodriks...😁

Congrats on the new bass!! Looks great and I bet it sounds and plays great too. Even more so if this is a step up from your previous Elrick Evo5 which you're going to no disagreement from me when you say it "was a wonderful bass"! 😊 Must admit I'd not really come across the Elrick brand before your previous Evo5 ad, but Rob Elrick's workmanship is definitely worth folk checking out if they get a chance. The quality and sound is right up there with the very best.

@Sarah5string you've just made my day! It's not 'cos you're using a beatbuddy mini for practicing, but rather because I've often wondered who the BC'er was who started this fantastic and enduring thread, which you'd not been on for a long while: What are you listening to right now? - General Discussion - Basschat And also 'cos Cannock is up the road from where I grew up 😊

Very useful to get this balanced perspective / alternative view from @andruca

None of the Zoom models will provide a sequence/arpeggiator with a tap tempo function but they do cover a lot of other ground and they're all very good value. I've had a couple of MS-60Bs, a B3N and a B1-4X along the way but have finally settled on the B1-4 which is sitting at the heart of my board and I'm enjoying a lot (plus a spare for use as a portable headphone amp & preamp). I posted a fairly detailed comparison of the MS-60B and B1-4 at the start of this thread, if it's of any interest.

Hah! I knew you would pick up on that, hence my including the word "otherwise" 😊 You can have the same CPU but with different amounts of memory, right? I mean, mobile phones do that all the time. We need to bring in the cavalry here! @jimfist - do you have any insight / gossip on whether the same CPU with same DSP is in both the B3n and B1-4?

Cheers Woody. The B3n has larger form factor metal housing, 3 displays, larger patch memory storage, more flappy padels and 3 Stomp switches plus the option of stereo out (not requiring a TRS). I would have thought that would have accounted for a big chunk of the price difference? My understanding has always been that the B1-4 was otherwise using exactly the same chipset as the B3n. If it's not, that would be interesting news.

Yeah, agreed. I was just trying to think of how/where someone might actually make use of the stereo in a band mix, which is how the discussion arose,: But I think we've concluded that's likely to be a non-point based on the fact that we have a full mono output with a normal (TS) bass lead to an amp which is how most of us have it set up for live use. The storm in my tea cup has certainly subsided, and the tea now satisfyingly consumed! All good.

A lot? 😂 My knowledge is pretty limited on TRS cables, defo not my specialist subject - haha! I know that I need to use a TRS cable to connect an expression pedal or additional foot switches, and that I've had a Y cable that was TRS to tip and rim, but that's about it really! But I think there are a couple of useful takeaways from the discussion: 1. If we're using a "stereo" effect in any of our B1-4 patches with a normal (TS) cable then you're not going to have an issue. (This is relevant to most of us). This was the concern (not specific to the B1-4) you raised about us being lost in the mix - I think based on the discussion it's safe to conclude that this shouldn't be a problem for us if we're using a normal bass lead or wireless. 2. If you use a TRS cable you might be able to get stereo output if you are bi-amping. (I guess this may be relevant and of interest to some users, but certainly not something I'll likely be doing any time soon). That would seem to limit the benefit of any possible stereo out quite a lot, for folk looking to make use of it. But it's been an interesting / useful deep dive on this point, so I'm glad you brought it up.

Thanks John - must admit I haven't come across anyone mentioning that the B1-4, or its stable mates, is capable of anything as sophisticated as you're suggesting. The manual indicates it's stereo for headphones as Woody has noted above: "OUTPUT: Standard stereo phone jack (combined line/headphone) Maximum output level: Line +2 dBu (10 kΩ or more output impedance) Headphones 17 mW + 17 mW (32 Ω load)" But given that it can provide stereo for headphones it does raise the interesting question of whether stereo might also be available via TRS as you suggest? But that's well above my pay grade to answer! 😁 The flip side is for those of us using normal TS cables to mono rigs: we shouldn't need to be concerned about using individual stereo fx in our patches i.e. just choose whichever individual effects we best like the sound of.

Ok. But as there is only a mono output from the Zoom B1-4 (and I'm guessing with most of the Zoom multifx pedals) so I'm not entirely clear whether your point would still apply? i.e. I don't think the stereo fx are "truly" stereo - more simply trying to emulate what a stereo fx might sound like through a mono rig. So I'm not sure we need to be worried about using the "stereo" Zoom effects in our patches? But happy to be corrected it that's wrong!