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[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1454291766' post='2968346'] ... or both, to illustrate the difference..? [/quote] Yes that sounds like a good idea actually.

Well it's nice to see the idea gained a bit more support it seems. I suppose I best enter myself. I shall be trying to record in the very simplest and quickest form possible in the true spirit of the 60 sec noodle. I might just plonk an iPad or phone near the amp and no fx, or I might record direct and add a bit of fx.

A fellow bass player will pretty much accept any bass as being cool if it's known to be a "good" instrument in my view if it's played well. There's is more cache in having certain instruments though. Which is an essay in itself.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1454082167' post='2966302'] I notice Blue hasn't said how old he is in any of the "how old are you?" threads, which is quite ironic seeing as he mentions it in pretty much every other one... [/quote] Haha! I do know also what age he started gigging too. It's making me feel a bit uneasy all this age stuff and with a good few famous people dying recently. I'm pretty sure ten years ago I was immortal. In all seriousness I am scared of growing old. And I'm honestly worried about the future, it's getting me down more than a bit and it's playing on my mind a lot of late.

Out of curiosity is this something you can practice for? I imagine the more experience you have and the groups that have really gelled and stayed together for a good length of time this will be less an issue?

Bit of an odd one ive just been cleaning a speaker and I decided to give the cone a little push as if testing the voice coil, and the cone moves very easy worryingly easy. Ive did this little test on all sorts of speakers and they have all given much more resistance. The speaker works perfectly. This is the original Trace Elliot speaker in a 7215smc. I'm just wondering why this is? I know there could be many many reasons im surprised still at its ease of cone travel.

I like the look of these not sure about the lower horn/scratch plate area on there p alike as above but I do like the look of most of the range and there options look good. I don't know anything about them much and only starting to read into them now. Question what are these like say compared a standard USA fender p bass or the equivalent jazz a like model to a fender USA standard jazz. What's are there pro's and any con's? I know this should not factor but what's there resale value like?

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1454093778' post='2966444'] From my perspective there is a very valid reason that some older gear gets a lot of stick, and that reason is because it's not that great, certainly not worth all the aggro of shifting it about. It's not about fear, it's about convenience. When I was gigging regularly in the late 80s/early 90s I had a big Trace Elliott rig. It was a pain in the arse to move about but at the time it was among the best amplification available. On the last gig I did, two years ago, the bass combo I had was as loud as my old Trace rig, sounded 1000 times better & was a lot more reliable. I was also able to take that combo & my bass to the gig on the bus. I would have killed for the chance to do that 25 years ago. [/quote] Fully understood and I agree. There is some good older stuff about and good heavy modern stuff about though. And I will use light weight gear myself for the very reasons you said . I do hope in the future vintage stuff is still used if convenient.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1454082662' post='2966312'] I think the best way to do that is to come up with some kind of vague half idea & then get Skol303 to sort it all out for you. [/quote] I did honestly laugh at that one.

I can see this coming back and slapping me in the face. I really hope people find listening to a pretty short bass composition easy going and maybe easier to get into. As you can gauge a short track in a short time.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1454091038' post='2966413'] I wondered if you were in the habit of moving gear about on a regular basis, that's all, no need to get all defensive. If you are then I'm even more surprised that you'd have such a poor attitude to people who prefer lightweight gear. [/quote] Well to be honest after our conversation on the other thread I thought I was about to get it in the neck from you so I did go on the defensive there. To clarify once again I have no issue with light gear or people who use it in any form. My issue is with and I'm not sure how to say this is with the stick that the heavier gear gets. And it does grate with me a little bit when gear is rejected, yes there's often a good reason for that but many times there is not people are starting to just assume it's too heavy some are not but I can see it happening in the future where people will already assume it is so. Also I have a thing about getting older so maybe my defensiveness about growing old myself comes through in a debate. I do want people to take care but on the flip side not be worried or something along those lines.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1454089530' post='2966397'] You don't gig, do you? [/quote] Nope I do jam sessions and am often moving my trace Elliot stuff about in and out of a vw polo. And I've helped a fair few bands set up. It's moving things normally heads and cab, guitar, pa equipment maybe combos etc etc. Not too mention some physical jobs day in day out which are much harder than setting up some equipment. And there being plenty of guys in there 60s still doing fairly labour intensive jobs. Who could if they wanted to easily lift gear in and out of cars. I also see plenty of bands with guys mostly a lot older than me still using the older gear. They like the older equipment they use it. And I say good for them if that is there choice. If you ask me there seems to be too much fear in lifting gear that really to a fit non injured person should be nothing. So what's your point?

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1454083960' post='2966327'] Steady on! I don't do weights, but most of my gear is lightweight these days. [/quote] That's not a bad thing. I'm just saying if someone liked a heavier all valve head then hopefully they would still be able to lift it and not be in fear of using it.

Adding that guitar or instruments that you hold for long periods is totally different in fact I would say go as light as possible on that one. Or at least not "heavy" as that's asking for trouble.

[quote name='Paul S' timestamp='1454069513' post='2966021'] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Yes, you said those things but the overall tone of your post seemed, to me, to criticize - "[color=#282828]a man should really be able to haul heavy gear without injury " seems fairly unambiguous. If that isn't what you meant then I apologise for wading in.[/color][/font][/size] I didn't actually say my back injury was from lifting weights. It wasn't - it happened doing something totally innocuous. Although I grant you it could read like it was from lifting weights. My point is that at the time of my life when I first injured my back - I was a little older than you in my early 40s - I used to be very strong: had a strong back/legs from squats/deadlifts/rows etc, was completely used to lifting heavy things but all was to no avail when my back went - just leaning over to measure with a tape measure. [/quote] I honestly was not in anyway supposed to be critical of people who can't or choose not too even. Injuries of course happen and at any time. Maybe I should of made my post more clear. What I had in mind is there's no reason if your fit that anyone male or female shouldn't be able to lift heavier gear if they Wanted, not that I'm saying people should go killing themselves and that I would hope to be one of those well into old age. I was really thinking old age and longevity. I don't judge others if they do like light gear. My belief, choice is that It does annoy me people go on about light gear will save your back, or I'm getting too old to lift it etc, it might, it might not and if you do keep fit you have less chance of getting hurt. As you said you can get injuries doing anything. Lightweight gear is great and I'm not knocking that either it's very convenient, but this fear of heavier stuff like say an all valve head and you do hear it said, is a bit weak willed to me, again don't kill yourself, but if you are under 75 then why not keep yourself fit and durable it will keep you going much longer than not. I take great inspiration from older 75 onwards who are fit, still lifting weights and are active in life. And I hope that I will be just that myself one far off day. I dunno maybe I am actual being criticle but certainly not in a way your suggesting.

[quote name='Paul S' timestamp='1454064503' post='2965904'] You do realise, though, that back injuries are not a choice. They can happen no matter how fit you are. First time my back 'went' I was doing heavy weights and probably about as fit as I ever have been. I can see nothing for you to be 'slightly annoyed' about. If anything I -and I am sure other people who do suffer with back problems - am 'slightly annoyed' at your attitude, that we are somehow less manly because we can no longer heft 50kg cabs about. If you consider 'being a man' is measured by how much weight you can move I would suggest you have a close look at your life values. [/quote] Whoa there. I never said they were not a choice or that they couldn't happen too anyone and I think I also said I can understand why people like lighter gear. And I certainly don't think any injury is funny I've had a few myself, or that anyone is less manly so really you've put words in my mouth I've never spoken. And I certainly do not judge anyone on how much they can lift. The thing that annoys me is people rejecting gear these days because it's heavy like it should be feared. And as you said your injury was from weight lifting and not from lifting gear which is normally less heavy than weights.

When it's been bass related any used in person buys I've had I've always found them nice people and normally nice clean homes. I do worry about people having my address in similar situations, it can make me very ill (Ptsd) thankfully bass players or indeed most instrument players always seem like decent people. But if your selling and you want a smooth sale most people want to try out a bass especially an expensive one so really it's the only way forward. I guess there's always risks and as I've been told thinking about them too deeply won't help, you can only take sensible precautions.

Just realised I'm 33 this year. Starting to get gray hairs too. I really believe in staying fit, weights and cardio. And so it does slightly annoy me all this talk of lighter gear although I can understand why. I'm using older TE gear and it's a pain in the arse. But a man should really be able to haul heavy gear without injury and I hope I will still be able to do just that long into old age. I do worry that not as many younger people are taking up playing instruments in general. Oh that's reminds me a few years ago my friend Carl got turned down for a band as he was too old, he was 28! Haha. Turning away from guitar he now does music production and dj's etc.

Super glue is handy. Can repair a nut even a cracked one to get you through (be careful of application!!!) and it can also be used to stick wiring to pots, jacks etc in an emergency where a soldering iron is unlikely to be handy, again careful of application. I've seen this in action and it works ok.

That part of buying a pre reliced bass (not having too worry) really appeals too me. Apart from any of the models that are reliced the same. I do wonder what these basses will look like in 30 years down the road surely they will look much older than they are.

[quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1454001306' post='2965265'] so basically you mean a simple post that works like this A - Hey guys, i wrote a riff, what do you think? B - yeah i like it, you should make a whole song A - thanks man I will C - hey heres mine. a sharing of ideas rather than competing against each other? [/quote] Yes it can be and no as it can be a mindless noodle that is going nowhere. And it being maybe voted on competition style instead of just a thread for little bits of tunes etc. Or if not voted on then yes rather as you suggested. I personally would rather it be a little competitive but in a relaxed way, but if voted it for comments so be it. I'm not sure a sharing of ideas is the best way to put it, however I would have no worries about that happening. Just as long as it's in the most simple of formats for people to take part in.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1453999571' post='2965227'] Yeah I can see the attraction of it being freeform, I guess it would remove any barriers to using pieces you had already come up with and wanted to share. I just think it'll be difficult to judge the submissions against each other without some kind of common denominator. [/quote] Don't think of it in terms of judging more in terms of people think for what ever reason something sounds pleasant. Which is judging lol but don't think of it as judgmental against something. I guess the common denominator is at its roots bass guitar little noodling, ditties, riffs what ever you want to call it and does it sound more pleasant or fun or interesting than another. It would be up to the individual totally on how they see it.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1453998671' post='2965197'] That's heading more towards the idea of a dedicated thread as opposed to an organized competition... which is fine if that's the general consensus I just feel that it needs a competitive edge to retain anyone's interest... As mentioned above, hardly anyone goes to the shared music forum threads as it is* and I can't see a thread of unrelated noodles being one people flock too... [i]*As a side note, I did very much appreciate everyone who took the time to review and comment on my recent thread in the shared music forum.[/i] [/quote] I agree with you on the comp bit, I see it being easier to get into it being free form as it were you can do your noodle based on something you just suddenly came up with, something you've had for a while, maybe a fun sounding finger exercise you came up with or something you felt inspiration from. I don't see why if you fancied giving yourself a challenge with a pic or a style etc and posting it up saying I was inspired by this etc, maybe even a moment in life inspired you or again just a noodle a few notes etc that you thought sounded good strung together. I know this runs the risk of chaos but maybe out of the chaos something fun and really easy to get into will emerge.

Maybe people can select there own inspiration and be judged not only against others noodles but there own inspirations? Maybe not.