peteb

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1367536001' post='2066769'] Some people get defensive when other people are less keen on something they love. [/quote] Maybe, but bear in mind that Jaco is not one of my main musical heroes - I'm just saying that people should recognise what he did and not come out with spurious comparisons to James Jamerson! He was always going to have more of an effect on someone like Bilbo because be likes that kind of music. My point about people getting defensive when they hear brilliant musicians was way more general than just talking about Jaco...

[quote name='Dr.Dave' timestamp='1367512464' post='2066267'] I think that all musicians should primarily support the song - not just bass players. It's the whole point. J J was superb at doing so. He never put himself before it - he used his skills to improve the song - not to over shadow it. He didn't give a monkeys how good people thought he was - he cared only for how much better the song was for his input. [/quote] There is nothing written in stone that all music [b]has[/b] to be performed in a four minute song format! That may, quite rightly, be the norm, but there has to be room for instrumental music and also for truly great players to do extraordinary things to take what can be done with an instrument forward. Assuming that you are not a die hard, old school punk rocker – if you dismiss this type of music out of hand you are probably missing a trick! Some people get very defensive when they hear someone who is better than they are. I get tired of all this talk of fret w@*kery whenever anyone mentions a guitarist who is actually any f@*kin good! And of course when you hear a genuine game changer like Jaco, suddenly people get threatened by the fact that their heroes are not in the same league, yet alone the fact that they will never be able to play like that. Therefore they start picking holes in his tone and accusing him of ‘widdling’ or whatever, which is kind of missing the point. The ironic thing is that out of all the monster jazz players, JP was (at times) a killer groove player – I’m sure that Jamerson (who I believe was originally a jazz player himself) would have approved! I have three or four Jaco records, which I rarely listen to – to be honest I’m more a Van Halen kinda guy! However, I have been indirectly influenced by him quite a bit in that I have copped plenty of licks from guys like Tony Franklin, who I know got them originally from JP and then put them in a rock context where I picked them up. I can’t see how it does any harm to at least be aware of they came from and to appreciate the artistry of the original, even if you are never going to be a big fan of the type of music that Jaco played…

[color=#222222]There seems to be always the same argument here about Jaco. I think that he was one of the all-time greats who transcended his instrument in the same way that Hendrix, Charlie Parker and a select group of others did.[/color] [color=#222222]I’m not a jazz fan at all and I find much of his stuff very heavy going (ok, unlistenable) but his first solo album and some of the Weather Report and Joni stuff are undeniably great. If nothing else, Teen Town and Portrait of Tracy are great tunes[/color] [color=#222222][quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1367323035' post='2064119'] I also think some people buy into that troubled genius backstory too. [/quote][/color] [color=#222222]Are you sure that you’re not falling into the same trap with Scot Thunes??[/color]

If you can get to Keighley, I use Tony at Aire Valley Guitars (tel: 01535 600202 / [url="http://www.airevalley-guitars.co.uk/"]http://www.airevalley-guitars.co.uk/[/url]) for stuff like that - top bloke, knows his stuff & very reasonable!

A Clean Boost pedal will only increase the signal from your bass to the amp - it won't magically make the amp louder! I’m afraid that it sounds like the amp is underpowered for what you need. Not much you can do about that except possibly use a more efficient cab…

[quote name='cocco' timestamp='1366832279' post='2057925'] I've upgraded or quickly sold every fender I've ever owned. [/quote] Same here - in fact I have modified (and IMHO vastly upgraded) every Fender type bass I have ever owned with one exception (as it is potentially worth a bit and I might want to sell)! In doing so I have undoubtedly lost quite a bit when I have sold on a few American Fenders, but I made them much better players and to my ears, sound better!

The shredding is great, but it helps that Kotzen has an ace voice and can write a bit as well...!

Can I be the first to post the new Winery Dogs clip, featuring Billy Sheehan, Mike Portnoy and the excellent Richie Kotzen. Obviously there is some shredding involved, but also very musical and a decent song! Well worth a listen... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ZlPBuNNNw&feature=youtu.be"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ZlPBuNNNw&feature=youtu.be[/url]

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1366359320' post='2051344'] ha ha! And now you know why I don't teach... [/quote] No, seriously - you would be a far better teacher than some others on this thread...

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1366314933' post='2051061'] G F# E, F C D for ages, then just F C D for ages do that a couple of times then G Bb C for even longer. Try and throw some runs in when you get bored, and you will. You're welcome. [/quote] You really should give lessons - obviously you were born to be a top bass teacher...!

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1366313951' post='2051038'] Ronnie Van Zant: "Whut song izzit yew wanna hear?" Crowd: "Mustang Sally!" [/quote]

Punters want to be entertained, pure and simple! Generally this is easier if you play stuff that they know with a few surprises thrown in. If you play too many of the cliche 'crowd pleaders' you run the risk of boring them as you will just sound like every other band they have ever seen! However one or two will help break the ice of course.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1366124719' post='2048645'] I don`t believe it was whining.If it did come over as whining then i am sorry, i must get better at expressing myself .I was Merely asking for a little help which most people seemed happy to do,which have been very helpful to me.Even your quote about it not getting any easier.I also never said i was going to give up, so not really sure where that came from.I still enjoy learning, just that sometimes it frustrates.But if you really want to say how it is, don`t attribute things to people that were never really said.I took on board your quote saying it doesn`t get any easier.But if want to come over with attitude, that is your choice. [/quote] I didn’t think that you were whining at all, just looking to benefit from the experience of people who have been doing it longer than you… You are learning the basic foundations of being a musician now – keep at it and in four years time you will be flying...!

[quote name='mike257' timestamp='1365775840' post='2044361'] There's very good reasons for both approaches to exist. When I'm mixing multi-band gigs where I don't know the bassist and the backline, I'll default to using a DI box and take the signal before the amp unless the player requests otherwise. For me as an engineer, that means I know that even if the amp is crap, unreliable, gets its settings fiddled with by less educated people sharing rigs or whatever, I've got a consistent and reliable signal coming to FOH anyway. If (for example) somebody like BRX rolled up who obviously knew his rig and his tones and had a setup that lent itself to me taking a post processing signal I'd be more than obliging - it only takes seconds to pull an XLR out of a DI box and throw it into somebody's rack/pedalboard/whatever. I think you'll find that most FOH guys would love to work with a band to create the perfect FOH mix but the realities of gigging rarely allow for that luxury. The quality of their work is their calling card just as your performance is for you and they'll be looking for the best mix they can achieve given the time and resources available to them. Sometimes that means compromises have to be made somewhere, but with a bit of communication everybody can have their input and end up (reasonably) happy! [/quote] Good post! As much as I prefer to send a post signal I can understand why sometimes it makes sense to take a DI straight from the bass on multi-band bills with little turnaround time between sets. Good engineers can generally work with the bass player to get the sound that they want if there is a little time available and both parties know what they are doing! I wish that all sound engineers had your attitude...

Jon Shuker

[quote name='Toddy' timestamp='1365691808' post='2043023'] [i]I think this is pretty interesting, and of course its not just musicians that are guilty of such things, certain brands seem to be "Holy" especially Harley Davidson, who make some very old fashioned agricultural machines, but with a massive loyal fan base, guess we pay extra for how certain things make us feel, which may be foolish, but hey it happens. other brand like Jack Daniels and Ferrari also inspire such feelings, weird init. [/i] [/quote] I think that the comparison between Fender and Harley Davidson is a particularly interesting one - both make rather outdated machines that have a loyal following mainly based on their historical significance! However, I can see the attraction of always owning at least one US Fender. Unfortunately there are always band leaders around (and punters of course) who need the comfort of the Fender badge! It's not in anyway logical, but that's how it goes...

Has anyone noticed that a lot of bass players who do club type tours (or play a lot in Europe, etc) often have a preamp / DI on their pedal board?? I assume that this is to maintain a certain amount of control over their sound when they're using unfamiliar rigs or dealing with engineers who want to DI straight from the bass!

[quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1365437184' post='2039619'] Or it could mean they know a bit about sound and know that their system will make a better sound than the treble and bass controls on a bass amp. Some engineers receive such a ridiculously scooped sound from bass players' amps that there's nothing they can do to make the bass heard apart from elevating the level of stodge. Generic sounds? Now there's a can of worms best avoided by taking some time with said sound engineer and letting him know what you want. Good ones listen and know exactIy what to do. I get cross at the keyboards, bass guitar, kick drum and bottom strings on the guitar all muddying up the same bottom end frequencies as they are eq'd in isolation for impressive sounds. I have stopped playing once at this (in a church too!) as it was pointless carrying on making the sounds worse. Ok, off soap box. [/quote] When it comes down to it, bands have to take responsibility and make sure that they make life easier for the sound engineer to get the FOH sound right. If you have cr@p gear or can't EQ an amp, it's no wonder that they want a pre signal! However, there are a lot of them out there that couldn't mix concrete, yet alone a band in a less than ideal room. A mate of mine is a good pro sound engineer who runs a company that employs even better engineers. He says that if a band can get a good sound on stage then the engineer should be a able to reproduce that sound out front! He has a very jaundiced view of a lot of guys working quite big gigs, basically saying that many are incompetent. I have say that my own experience confirms this to a degree, not to mention (sometimes half decent) engineers who seem to think that the most important person on the show is them and seem to forget that it is about punters coming to see and hear a band...!

Post for me where possible! I want the engineer to have a reference for how I want the bass to sound out front. If you have a decent amp with a good DI and know how to use your EQ then a decent engineer should be able to reproduce that sound. If a soundman insists on using a pre signal I won't throw any toys out of the pram, but it is generally a bad sign. Usually it means that they are lazy (will give you a generic sound like they did the last guy), arrogant (want to let you know that they can get a better sound than you) or just a bit rubbish! IME there are a lot of cr@p sound engineers out there, even in decent venues or using good PAs. Good ones definitely do need looking after...

[quote name='chasblaisdell' timestamp='1365017606' post='2034262'] Juke joints generated alot of music in the 50's that inspired alot of Englishmen to play lousy blues in the 60's . a .38 in your bass case and a roadie with a shotgun watching your équipment van is inspiring , put's an edge on it . A white guy from London would have the time of his life and probably never play better . [/quote] I take your point, as you say, puts a bit of an edge on a performance! I have played blues gigs in Cumbria, which perhaps gives an insight to what you are talking about…!! Threats of violence aside, ZZ cranked up in a juke joint sounds like a good night out to me…

Being & looking comfortable onstage is the main thing. Having a few stage moves doesn't hurt but the main thing is confidence & looking like you belong on a stage is the main thing! Cultivating a bit of an image is good as well but it doesn’t have to be over the top (especially when you’re playing in the corner of a pub)! I’m not too keen on bands wearing uniforms or who have a ‘dress code’ – I can’t enjoy them for fear that any minute they will break into Mustang Sally, a medley of Motown hits or other such ‘family entertainment’…!

Clown Whores... the lot of you...!

[quote name='tonybassplayer' timestamp='1364854156' post='2031915'] Hi Peteb Heard so much about Italian Tony and met him once but never saw him play however from the comments on facebook from all the local bands etc he was much loved and respected as a bassist and sound engineer. The headstone is a fabulous tribute to a guy who obviously influenced many people. What band are you in Pete ? I used to be in Empress until last year Tony [/quote] I'm in a blues band called Rhythm Zoo at the moment, but it's not locally based (thru the new guitarist Phil Dean comes from Harrogate) and we play up and down the country. I've been in loads of local bands but of the recent ones I suppose that I'm best known for are Spank The Monkey and playing in Paddy Maguire's band a couple of years ago... Tony was quite a character - born in Italy but came over here in his twenties, great slap player but usually played in hard rock bands. I knew him from when he was in my mate's band PLC (now Motus). Makes you think of your own mortality when a mate who is not much older than you gets ill and passes away!

Six months ago Italian Tony, a bass player and sound engineer quite well known around Leeds and surrounding areas, left the building after a yearlong fight against cancer. A few of his mates held a couple of benefit gigs and chipped in to raise money for this gravestone. Hopefully a fitting tribute to a great bass player, colourful character and all round good guy…

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1364808279' post='2030992'] And IMO there's nothing wrong with Newcastle. We play to our most enthusiastic audiences there! [/quote] Nothing wrong with Newcastle at all - always a good 'lively' night out and some of the best audiences in the UK...