drTStingray

I spent an hour or so searching for this last night without luck I'm afraid sorry - went through a pile of recent BGMs. I'll have another look tonight - I'm just wondering if I actually read it on here or in a newspaper article or something.

Is this something that just applies to Fender P and J basses? You rarely hear people talking about vintage V modern Rickenbackers - or Wals - most of my Musicman basses are less than 15 yrs old and to be honest, though I've played old ones (indeed bought one new in the 70s) there is little difference (certainly on the 2 band Stingray) - of course the modern ones are built to modern QC and manufacturing tolerances, which like with every other 'consumer durable' makes them infinitely better in that sense. I mean who would use a vintage Hoover or quill and ink, or even a 50 yr old car on a day to day basis. Vintage is partially a fashion and nostalgia thing - there are plenty of people around who hark back to the late 50s and early 60s and cherish instruments from that period - I tend to hark back to the early 70s when most people (there are exceptions like Willie Weeks) would have been considered way past it and uncool playing a pastel coloured guitar - even the Shadows stopped doing that until they performed as an out and out nostalgia tribute in the last couple of decades. I have yet to play a 'vintage' instrument which speaks to me that strongly sonically and playing wise that I would part with large sums of money for it - I have looked off and on for 20 yrs or so. Do they look nice and are they full of nostalgia? Well the answer is yes for me - but to use as a day to day instrument then no. Are they more desirable than say a new Fender CS, new Musicman, Wal, Rickenbacker or Gibson - no they're not for me indeed some modern ones really do have that classic feel and look and are equally impressive aesthetically as far as I can see.

That's exactly what I used for a while on my Stingray fretless - now using the Cobalt flats. Really nice tracks and sound there - and thanks.....you just reignited my Wal gas!! The bass sound (in fact the whole sound) on those gospelly funk tracks is fabulous.

You have a very impressive advertising poster at either Bromley South or Beckenham Junction station currently for a show at the Churchill Theatre - equally eye catching and impressive as the other ones for West End shows and pantos - I too noticed the sparkly clad ladies, but on the poster. Are you the show that the actual ELO band turned up to a gig of? I read in an interview with Lee Pomeroy they'd done that!!

Yeah good plan - the Stealth look with white lettering is excellent - I was very tempted by an SR5 in that form a few years back. Do you find the Bongo is incredibly resonant just acoustically? Mine is, and has extremely strong harmonics just acoustically - they're great instruments.

Fabulous bass - they are really excellent - if you want a new pickguard, Musicman's supplier (Chandler - Pickguard Heaven) do most of the exotic looking ones MM used to offer as options - this one is called tiramisu.

I'd say that was an Antoria - I had one basically the same (but with a rosewood board, pearl blocks and Jazz type pick up covers - but without the F symbol on the bridge one - it even had a foam mute fitted - you can see the screw holes for them on that picture). Mine was a sort of walnut colour, but basically the same. Not long after I had mine (from new in 1975) they started doing them with authentic Jazz style pick ups rather than those - IIRC the bridge pick up on mine was fairly weak.

I've amassed some light entertainment stage props including a music stand but haven't run to a pullover and rocking chair yet (or stool) or to 1970s light entertainment wear (brown was clearly in during 1975)

Good to see you Blue and also to see you're following the latest ethos of not displaying headstock logos since the recent debate (debacle?) here 😁😂😂 NYE gig is a posh pub with eating in a fashionable high tech part of Kent. As all of our band are generally in various other bands, some of which had previously accepted NYE gigs, we have two deps in the line up. I believe we have to play 3 hrs, finishing not too long after Jools Holland's chimes of Big Ben - should be fun. Mostly old soul stuff, which is always fun on bass.

+1 well deserved and excellent.

Sorry duplicate

It's a bit like those Stu Hamm Urge basses no longer made by the firm at the centre of a recent mammoth closed thread about illegal copies thereof. Or is it the Roscoe Beck version which has several pick ups - whatever they're both highly versatile.

Now I've come across some wondrous lyrics in my time but when this occurred I was awestruck with amazement - and to perform it as well is a real feat. I think most of us are agreed, these guys are brilliant - this is just an extract - what a brilliant song.

Nice.

Used Stingray 4HH would fit the bill. It's my Swiss Army knife bass - switchable single coils, single HB or multi HB. Alternatively the 4HS is also good (there's one in the classifieds currently).

Unfortunately I don't have a pic of the dual stool performance of Rog and Val Doonican despite this being a frequent occurrence on weekend TV in the 70s.

I started off with roundwounds on my Fretless, gone via half wound to flatwounds and now have EB Cobalt Slinky Flatwounds on it. Gives a great balance between Fretless mwah, slap zing and finger style thump. Gives me the Pino sound I was after. And also theyre kind on the fretboard - the rounds which were on it when I acquired it actually created scuffs and swirls on the fretboard - the Cobalts don't. Nice tension as well (not too stiff - I don't like feeling like I'm arm wrestling - an effect some flatwounds have in my experience). Ps it's a Stingray - I have TIs on my fretted Classic Ray for that Bernard Edwards sound.

If I were a jazz guy id use a high stool (like Roger Whittaker and also The Shadows on their laid back instrumentals 😬 )

One of their downsides, they're as effective as drumist's equipment for scratching instruments, invariable clang appallingly when you drop them, and are extremely useful for scratching the inside (or outside) of your car - or van if you're an SVT plus fridge user...... ive decided to learn my dep set for NYE properly and place cues on my iPhone for those little difficult moments - then I won't have to use the music stand. Just hope no one thinks I'm texting between songs if I have to refer to my 'notes'!!

Singers, in my experience, always seem to me to use them. Ive heard of musicians using them to pretend to musos watching that they can read music - I've even known them have fake logos on their instrument headstocks, though these are the exception in my experience. No seriously (I was just watching a Frankie Howard show) I use one when I need to refer to chord sheets more than say half a dozen times in a dep gig or with a new band - otherwise I place the sheet on the floor. I'm surprised none of the more well heeled amongst us haven't investigated the use of autocue on a screen set as per a wedge monitor.

and therein lies the root of the problem. Most if not all other manufacturers are interested in protecting their product and more importantly their customers from counterfeit. If your primary aim is only publicity then your business is not customer focussed and hey presto......your product and customers suffer and you lose money. Certainly not the only way to lose money but a contributor.

Aha - been fooled many a time before by that one!! I think the Commander in Chief and his press office may have a view on that - 'fake' is a favourite buzz word and 'counterfeit' doesn't have the same ring or effect, especially in a tweet or landmark speech.

I don't think anyone dislikes Fender on Fender guitar headstocks - just the use of their logos on non-Fender basses, and clearly taking the same approach as with Rickenbacker on the forum is not sensible (in any case Fender is unlikely to take similar potential legal action).

Blimey, that'd mean banning all things Fender from the forum...... I still don't get people wanting to put a different manufacturer's name on their bass - I did once think about putting a different logo on a Stingray - but I was a bit drunk at the time.....and then I thought what on earth would be the point - I know it's a Stingray and so does everyone else. An motor car analogy - in the olden days people used to either buy a Mini Cooper S, if they couldn't afford one they'd fit after market parts to bring a standard car to the same spec and sometimes even make it look like one by adding the badges etc - then there were others who took a standard mini, and fitted wider wheels and badges to either kid themselves or others they were driving the real thing. Usually they were young kids who couldn't afford to buy the real thing and most certainly couldn't afford to insure one. I can't help feeling we have some similar sort of psychology going on here....

Blimey........ what I don't get on this thread is the volume of people supporting the idea of having a non Fender, for instance, with a fake logo/trade mark. I don't get why anyone would want such a thing in the first place........ There is clearly unlikely to be anyone fooled by such an item on sale in an enthusiast forum - the real problem comes in a few years time if they appear on something like eBay and the innocent chap who knows very little about basses buys one thinking it's the real thing. I'm sure there'll be loads of howls of 'not possible' and 'buyer beware' etc etc - however there's lots of true fakers making money out of selling poor Chinese copies to unsuspecting or otherwise buyers so it's very clear that supporting or turning a blind eye to the idea of having fake logos on instruments is a slightly strange mind set as far as I can see. I remember a very long thread about this subject before and someone pointed out the lack of Nash and Sadowskis with fake Fender logos - so it does appear to be limited to people putting logos on cheaper basses to make them resemble a more expensive item.