Bilbo

It is a language that needs to be learned. The best reader I ever knew, a pianist who could read what I called 'ten finger piano' charts pretty much perfectly right off the bat, told me that from starting to learn to being that fluent took 15 years (he started young). Most people can get pretty good at reading single lines quite quickly and then it is a case of 'speeding up' until you can read more and more without crashing. But it takes time, just like reading prose. No conspiracy, just a tried and tested method that makes things that much more viable for composers and performers alike to execute complex works quite quickly. It also makes learning easier as ideas can be communicated more readily. Worth the the investment but it takes time, discipline and patience.

[quote name='wrinkleygit' timestamp='1373211705' post='2134748'] Hi bilbo, did you ever finish writing your jazz standards book, mike b [/quote] Not sure what you mean. Have published a book on Paul Chambers but that is all I was working on.

I do find most pop and rock doesn't come off too well after a point. Jazz, folk, classical, even Blues, all seem to feel ok but older guys playing a lot of rock n pop genres look a bit 'sad' to me. I recently saw the Michael Schenker group. MS played great but posturing looks seriously iffy.

[quote name='Mornats' timestamp='1374687029' post='2151917'] Poor teddy, he's getting his brain nuked. [/quote]

And of course they have no relationship with him and no vested interest in him being that aforementioned .man'!! I have heard Kool and The Gang consider Robert Bell aka 'Kool' to be the best bass player in the world..... [size=4]Of course, he is a great groove player etc so, if you subscribe to the idea that a bass should 'get off on making other people sound good' then 'other people' are going to rate them. I think Paul Chambers's reputation was based on the same idea.[/size][size=4] [/size]

I have some ZOOM H1 mp3s but have not got consent to post so am reluctant. I may put some up on my soundcloud page 'anonymously' one day.

I think I have had one of those once?

That'll be an octave divider

Take this guy, Neil Jason. Plays a great groove, serves the song etc. Why no kudos? [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbmv70uvJ8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbmv70uvJ8[/url]

Agreed - but so have many, many others. Why is PP considered so exceptional? I am not slagging him off, just wondering why the cult of personality with this one player over 1,000 others of equal standing? Not that it matters

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[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1374664904' post='2151440'] When you say 'journeyman playing', I presume you're not including his astonishing fretless work with Paul Young, Gary Numan, etc etc etc. I know it's all a fair few years back but you can bet your boots he can still play the stuff and, my god, I wish my playing was as 'journeyman' as that..! [/quote] It was lovely, but 'astonishing'? Isn't that a little hyperbolic

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1374665394' post='2151450'] I'm sure he doesn't lose sleep over your opinion of his ability... [/quote] Why would he? Anymore than I would lose sleep over his opinion of mine. Doesn't negate it, tho

[quote]Bilbo and I are actually in a fairly unique position in that I think we're the only people who've submitted something each month [/quote] I think I missed the drunk santa one, mate.

Nope. Still too much time going over the same territory. Nothing fresh to get inspired by. Could use the time better.

I am not being critical of PP but I do wonder what he would sound like if someone put a third chord in there? (Meeeeoooow!) Seriously, tho', I have no problem with Pino (he's a Cardiff boy and I did most of my early playing around there) but I think he is possibly the most overrated player in the canon. He is good at what he does but most of it is journeyman playing. If half of us had Steve Jordan (and, indeed, Mayer) to bounce off and played that often as a trio, we would probably sound that good.

If I was going to write a 12 minute piece of music that went through 12 different 'sections' building to an integrated whole, it wouldn't be this. I couldn't even be arsed to segue one minute sections of the twelve pieces I have already written into one continuous whole. Sorry, guys. It's not going to happen. Count me out.

'tis to the Dot.

Sounds like mid-era Sabbath \m/

I have just finished a six week season playing with John Etheridge, Jim Mullen, Nigel Price, Julian Siegel, Vasilis Xenopoulos, Gareth Lockrane and Martin Speake. Later this year, I get to play with Gilad Atzmon, Tony Kofi, Steve Fishwick, Tim Whitehead, Kate Williams, Pete Whitaker, Christine Tobin, Phil Robson and others 'to be announced'. What a year!!!!

IT'S MINE!!!!