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[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503389702' post='3357713'] Regarding the statue of General Lee, I'm against destroying historical monuments what ever they are. It's what Henry VIII and ISIL are doing. It's what they did to Sadam Hussain's statue and it was an indication of the worse things to come. Maybe an amended plaque be put up on the statue with a fuller explanation. Although I'm aware that the truth doesn't figure highly in the US at the moment. [/quote] So you'd be ok if Hitler statues had been left up? Or Pol Pot? Or Idi Amin? Unless you can see into the future you cannot claim that removing a statue of a murderer is an indication of "worse things to come" - that is hindsight based reductive nonsense.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503352659' post='3357593'] Maybe you can explain then, why aren't there people being locked up at the many American car shows that are regularly held. The cars are driven there with their flags and everything, they must be going on the public roads and passing police cars. I don't get it. [/quote] Selective memory again Tim? My earlier post on possible arrest was based on there being nooses as well. Noose + Flag = obvious racism. Flag alone may not be (as per the Acts referred to above). But a Golliwog = racism. The subtleties are important and obvious. And irrespective of your views on it - the bit I pasted was from the Crown Prosecution Service guide. I don't know why you are asking me why an individual policeman or 2 hadn't arrested someone for showing that flag. Perhaps it was because there were no nooses. Perhaps it was because they had something better to do. Perhaps there was no complaint from a member of the public? Perhaps they were Sun readers and didn't know.

I've had both. Loved them both. Berg was a bit heavy. Kept the Ray. Ripped the pickups out and stuck in EMGs. Turned it into a great bass.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503341296' post='3357441'] I'll try not to, but the fact that the Sun feels it necessary to educate people on it, would kind of indicate it's not common knowledge. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3621818/confederate-flag-racist-banned/ [/quote] Why are you obsessed with The Sun? It sells abou 1.5 million copies per day. The adult population of the UK is about 63 million. It's not a useful comparator. And you may recall that when the Channel Tunnel opened the Times, telegraph, independent, even the daily mail ran stories about the amazing engineering feat and the layout of the tunnel. The Sun (presumably for their readership) limited their coverage to explaining which 2 countries it was between and how easy it would be to get cheap booze.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503341589' post='3357446'] I think you have missed my attempt at satire there earlier. Someone ascertained that you can be arrested for putting a golly in your window... I'm just saying that if you can be arrested for a Golly, you should also be arrested for flying the flag. But never mind... [/quote] It was me that said that. This is why your satire fails. Can and should are different. As stated, it needs plod to be made aware.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503340631' post='3357428'] Well. You can't have it both ways. It's either racist and illegal or it's not. [/quote] I'm not having it both ways. Illegal things are still illegal even if the Police don't know the event is happening. Crimes are committed every second without plod knowing. Something being illegal and someone being convicted for it are not the same thing. You do realise that if a tree falls in a wood and there is no one to hear it - there is still a sound?

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503339853' post='3357410'] Context is probably the wrong word but have people really been flying it over here and decorating their American cars with it as a display of White Supremacy? Did the OP use it in that context? If so why haven't the police been arresting them? [/quote] Maybe the OP didn't realise that the audience were racist and wouldn't report it. Or were similarly afflicted by a lack of knowledge, but now they are not. Still - if it makes you feel any better - if I saw confederate flags being hung with nooses then I'd give serious thought to a complaint.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503339853' post='3357410'] Context is probably the wrong word but have people really been flying it over here and decorating their American cars with it as a display of White Supremacy? Did the OP use it in that context? If so why haven't the police been arresting them? [/quote] Why would it have been bought to the attention of the police? [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Why was it bought to the police's attention? [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Who would have complained?[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]And Why?[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]etc etc...[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Nice little u-turn there.[/font][/color]

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503339248' post='3357401'] Because American history and the civil war seem to me to be specialist subjects and not general knowledge. In fact I'm convinced that up to 2015 most British people would say Dukes of Hazzard when asked about General Lee and if shown the flag would just say Americana. In fact the OP only found out about it by being 'told' via Facebook the other day and another poster only found out about it when his brother 'told' him he should be careful after buying one while he was in the states. i.e. up to very recently a lot of us had absolutely no knowledge of these things. It just wasn't general knowledge. [/quote] Please don't assume your lack of knowledge about a particular subject in any way mirrors the rest of the population. Of course it won't be as common knowledge as purely "British" events, but that doesn't mean that knowledge is rare.

They were cheaper before the thing that must not be named.

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[quote name='DJpullchord' timestamp='1503335812' post='3357361'] History seems to be written by the victors. [/quote] So racists are losers? Seems appropriate to me!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1503334586' post='3357353'] Erm? [url="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Ireland"]https://en.m.wikiped...very_in_Ireland[/url] You might want to read the part about "The Irish slave trade began to decline after William the Conqueror consolidated control of the English and Welsh coasts around 1080, and was dealt a severe blow when the Kingdom of England, one of its biggest markets, banned slavery in its territory in 1102." [/quote] Well gosh. Happy to be wrong and to learn something. I promise I shall ignore some examples in this thread and actually read about it (for more than 5 mins) before having an opinion on it.

I just spec'd a black and maple PJ. I think I want it. I need to save a little more dosh though. Or sell stuff.

Sort of. I did it for years with proper amps - 2 heads, 2 big cabs etc. Dual output basses. Now I do it within my Helix, routing each path to a different amp and cab. So yes - but with modern kit. But saying that I'm not sure it's necessary anymore. More than any other bit of kit, the Helix has huge routing options. Could blend 4 tones at once and send them all in mono (or split to separate amps for that matter)

Start from scratch. Bin the presets. In the Cab models use the hi and low cut controls. Cut everything below 80hz and everything over 6khz Ask if you have any questions. I'm getting quite good at it - also join the Facebook group (the proper one with 8000 members) it's a library of information.

You are not helping my wallet!

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1503328201' post='3357292'] Yes , but my point was it was accepted as a rock culture thing and evolved slightly into a more passive thing in certain sub cultures , recent modern events have taken that away and make the dukes of hazard rasict The Union Jack is hard to interpret , if you see one hanging out a window , do you think EDL or royalist who is proud of multicultural inclusive society [/quote] Depends on the location and whether there is a sports event on. 10 miles away there is an estate where stabbings of minorities is a common event. So there I would think EDL In my village - a few old army men here. Probably just proud to be British - just a noose with it wouldn't allow that interpretation.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503328553' post='3357295'] No. History is just remembering facts and stories. It doesn't require any intelligence. I'm not slagging anyone off, it's just a story that I'm not particilarly interested in, haven't read and haven't been told. Seems everyone, so far, on this thread has been told about it in some capacity or another. Don't see anyone who learned about it in school. We certainly didn't cover the American civil war. Most of what we learned was uk insutrial revolution and the war years. [/quote] Told about it? Like a lesson? Or perhaps buying a book about it? Or being curious about the subject? Or perhaps attending a different school that did mention it a bit? All examples of education - whether in conversation, or self improvement - all examples of lessons, just with different ways of delivering the information. Why are you surprised that others might know about a subject that you are not interested in? Education isn't limited to what is taught at school! EDIT - and history is NOT just learning facts and stories. Only someone who hasn't studied it beyond school level would say that. History is investigating what happened when there are conflicting accounts, and is examining the motives of the people making the decisions, and considering the nature of society and how such events were allowed to take place - like wars, and depressions etc. It is very far from a simple memory exercise. I've been helping my daughter with her GCSE history - the question "WHY?" comes up in almost every question. It's not enough to just say WW2 started in 1939. The student has to explain why.

[quote name='Les' timestamp='1503328123' post='3357290'] Than you, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm trying to find out. Les [/quote] I don't know if it helps - he gigs mainly between Birmingham and the south coast, but gets a lot of work and plays a lot of festivals. Not sure if he's ever been up to Wigan. He's damn good though: https://open.spotify.com/album/6L9UkbQxVG3p5AvevFzLHa

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503327939' post='3357285'] Yes. And Sun readers. [/quote] I'm confused. Are you slagging off Sun readers while at the same time saying they know more about history than you?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1503327773' post='3357280'] So it's a flag that represents a smaller area of a now United region of the world with a bloody history amongst it's neighbours going back centuries? [/quote] Somewhat false equivalence there. I don't recall that flag being used a banner to preserve the ability to own another human being.

Just out of curiosity I asked a mate who is involved in the bluegrass scene in the UK He tells me that the confederate flag was quite common, but over the last few years there has been less use, and some have reported audience numbers dropping if it is being used. He happens to be Jewish, and these days takes it as an indication that he won't go as see any act using that flag.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503327133' post='3357271'] The point I'm making is that prior to 2015 and the last few days it doesn't seem to have been a issue whatsoever to fly it. In the few articles I've read on the last few hours it seems only to have been a real issue (for the majority of people) in the US since 2015. The fact people in the Uk now know about it, I would suggest, is because it's been seen on mainstream media at Charlottesville. And there was an article in the Sun newspaper three days ago. Certainly I'd say the reason I know nothing about it is because I've been totally ignoring most of that story (and don't read The Sun) I wonder how many people replying on this thread knew about the connotations previous to this week, or before 2015? [/quote] You didn't. I did. Clearly from some of the other people who recommended books and the like, they did too.