Kev

I am intrigued also, but not cross-country level of intrigued It's just this does make me wonder as its not really a subjective thing. Latency is latency, and I think I remember reading a very geeky post on TB or perhaps on reddit about someone actually measured what it was at a specific fret on a specific string from the waveform and it came out at something silly like 2ms, which of course isn't perceptible! I think my Shure wireless is double that, and again that's just not something you're ever going to notice. Given that it is digital though, I feel like it must vary somewhat depending on the input signal, as opposed to the analog OC-2 type circuits that just flip whatever comes in back at you . So its an interesting one, though perhaps one for the Dull Mens Club on Facebook 😅

I guess I can only conclude it's more sensitive to bass/signal chain/playing etc in that case. Odd but interesting.

It does though, which is why I'm confused about how yours is behaving in your setup? I've owned a lot of OC-2 and OC-2 types (including the 3leaf clone), and although it was a few years ago now, the OC-5 didn't fall short at all for me. Sure, it wasn't QUITE as rubbery in tone as the OC-2 when directly compared solo'd, but it was extremely close and I'd never tell them apart blind, and there was no latency. Didn't like the other mode at all, but vintage was spot on.

In vintage mode, the OC-5 responded almost identically to the OC-2. If you're actively noticing a difference in latency, that's very odd. The other mode is an entirely different matter, but on the one I had, the vintage mode did not suffer any latency.

Cool, I only ask as I know there's subtle differences between a big box regular muff and the nano. Id be interested in trying one, as it does seem to have a different vibe.

Is there a circuit/sound difference between the Nano and the LTD?

Well, its found a place on my board. Still getting to grips with it, but it's a VERY cool sounding unit, easy to adjust the parameters for the most part, and all the sounds it makes are actually useable, rather than something to just muck about with. Took a good bit of messing about to get it working well in my QC chain. Naturally, it doesn't track nearly as well as I'd hoped. The hammer-ons and pull-offs not re-triggering in Ian's videos was what I was really hoping would work, and it does for the most part below the 7th fret or so, but any further up on all strings it retriggers, which is frustrating, and a tad confusing really as I'm not sure I understand why, for example, G2 on the A string will hammer nicely from F, but retriggers on the D (10th vs 5th fret). I'm sure using old flats help a ton, EQ curves and compression on the QC help tame the harmonics and smooth things out from the rounds but its still not brilliant. Still, it handles ghost notes well and there isn't a ton of latency, as long as its in 4 string mode. The first and last preset are my faves, the last being quite similar to one of my favourite patches I had on the Chunk synth.

That wasn't the worst of it for me. Sure, releasing his own pedals with almost identical construction in and out so soon after the split and not expecting backlash was very naive, that and telling fibs about the reasons behind it (being stuck with "predrilled" enclosures that somehow had the PSU socket in a different position from the corresponding DG pedal...), but when Spencer started selling off Darkglass prototypes as his own for profit because "he designed them", I lost all respect for him and the brand, haven't used anything 3Leaf since. All that being said, the animosity was between Doug and Spencer, rather than Darkglass, who have since become a huge company owned by Korg, and I highly doubt programming a Doom 2 model was revenge or getting him back, its just a popular pedal that's very hard to get hold of. From what I've heard, it completely nails it too.

From what I have seen, whenever the question has been raised with PJB in the past, even they have said for practical gigging use you'd probably need two of them running in parallel, they're just not geared up for that kind of thing. I am looking to buy one, but its exclusively to plonk on a desk at home and use it with the BT audio input to play along to some tracks without headphones for a change, and even just as a bluetooth speaker. If I was looking to gig with something, I'm sure the £450 would be much, much better spent elsewhere, though I don't have any recommendations I'm afraid!

And she's arrived. First time using https://www.theguitarstoreonline.co.uk/, can't fault it so far, free next day delivery and 5% off your first order, that'll do nicely. Tonight shall consist of mostly alcohol and a potent mix of pleasure and frustration. Then i'll give the MXR a go.

Great deal for someone already ordering from Bax, those and the Dunlops.

I would LOVE Spencer to have the gall to ridicule Darkglass for copying HIM 😅

No, but I've been agonising between this and the FI VIP, which are very similarly priced. The VIP can do a whole lot more, but is incomparably difficult to program by comparison. If the MXR tracks well and sound quality isn't far off, it'll be worth it for simplicity alone. If its just hype and its not better than other mainstream synth efforts that have been frankly rubbish, boo. I just read that MXR sold the first 3000 of these units in 28 hours, which is absolutely insane. Its also insane that there are so few on the used market, given how many are selling and how much of a hype FOMO pedal it is, which I take as a good sign.

Bit the bullet - ordered one, should be with me tomorrow. I still have this niggling thought that its all hype but hoping I'm wrong!

Always find these kind of things funny. Designer designs a pedal. Decides its not good enough. It's "rediscovered" and automatically becomes the best thing ever. Reminds me of when music artists die and they find demos they decide to release. Literally things they've made that weren't good enough and literally didn't want to release. That being said, this sounds quite cool, but how different is it to the actual op amp version that was released? Been years since I used a muff.

I'm sure it works well, but it doesn't really counter my 8 year old thought, there are plenty of more powerful Class D options that would fit in that gap and do an equal or better job. Makes total sense if you had the head already, but if you were actively seeking one for that job, I still don't get why anyone would choose the Elf, unless budget was a real issue (though I'm sure you can get other Class D heads now with more power for the price, so not sure it's even budget anymore!)

Becoming inspired to give flats a go, though the main 'Ray gig is with an Evanescence tribute, so not quite the vibe! 😅