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[quote name='thebigyin' timestamp='1477418889' post='3162112']...accurate tab for Highway Star the Deep Purple classic... [/quote] Here you are... [attachment=230788:Deep Purple - Highway Star.pdf] [attachment=230789:Deep Purple - Highway Star (2).pdf] Same as before; download and change the suffix to 'Pdf'.

[quote name='thebigyin' timestamp='1477418520' post='3162110']...advice greatly appreciated ...[/quote] Here you go, two versions that are very similar, in Pdf format. Download and change the suffix to 'Pdf'... [attachment=230784:Whitesnake - Fool For Your Loving (with Steve Vai).pdf] [attachment=230785:Whitesnake - Fool For Your Loving.pdf] Enjoy; bon courage. Guitar Pro 6 is very good for learning stuff like this. (The twiddly bits are just decoration, really, so they could be added after you've got the main structure down 'pat'. Don't fret over a silly little 'throw-away' twiddle...).

I'm a drummer; have been for nearly fifty years. I've got the 'dropped stick' routine down to a fine art (loaded stick bag suspended from low tom, of course...). It happens, maybe even more in my declining years, that I 'freeze' at a critical moment. A good example would be Midnight Oil's 'Beds Are Burning', which features a short solo drum fill before the last chorus. We've played this for years; decades even. On one occasion, for no real reason, I 'froze' at the entry of the fill-solo. My band mates turned on their heels, horrified. Experience counts, however. The bubble broke, I hit the flam on the low tom for the last beat, and, as one, we all belted into the chorus,all the better for having had a heavily pregnant pause. Wiped brows all round when the song ended. I've not done it, deliberately nor by accident, since, but it was darned effective. Sometimes one can come up smelling of roses.

[quote name='NancyJohnson' timestamp='1477394837' post='3161902'] OK...hopefully this will work. Have a listen... [/quote] NJ... Jolly good stuff, and embracing well the target genre. Much better, in almost all respects than most offerings from 'the usual' at this time of year. Will it 'stick'..? Dunno; maybe not enough of a 'hook' in there (but who knows..?). All of the instruments are in place (I liked the guitar flange; short and sweet...). I'd have wanted a tiny bit more variance in the drums, but lightly; just a crisp pre-roll on the snare from time to time, to give it some life and sparkle. The vocals..? Good, but a tad strained in places; a bit of treatment would help that a lot (a touch of delay, a smidgen of reverb, an octave, below, doubling...). The lyrics are fine (I'd suggest 'three six five' as better scansion at one point...). For 'the Market', I'd chop away a verse so as to have the chorus come in earlier; that 's the 'hook' the drunkards around the dinner table will be swaying to, arm in arm with paper hats on. Altogether a Good One. No idea how to promote such stuff. Send it to your local radio station; get it attached to a local charity event..? Well done, anyway, and thanks for sharing. Oi'll give it foive.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477387632' post='3161833']... You can't have the bass banging away in one time and the drums banging away in another... [/quote] No..? Really..? [media]http://youtu.be/uuvrgyIQWJw[/media] [spoiler] From Wikipedia... [color=#252525][font=sans-serif]'...In making "Rubber Shirt", Zappa combined a track of [/font][/color][url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Bozzio"]Terry Bozzio[/url][color=#252525][font=sans-serif] playing drums in one musical setting with one of Patrick O'Hearn playing bass in another, and totally different, musical setting. The tracks differed in time signature and in tempo. Zappa referred to this technique as [/font][/color][url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenochrony"]xenochrony[/url][color=#252525][font=sans-serif]...'[/spoiler][/font][/color]

Play your part as it should be played, regardless, but remember never to join in a jazz session again.

That most trustworthy of references, Wikipedia, says this... [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_by_ear"]Playing by ear...[/url] I'll not contradict it.

Many (maybe most..?) orchestral works are played with more or less 'parts' (4 instead of 12 violins, with or without harpist, one, two or more pianos...), depending on what is available in the orchestra, or budget, or space at the venue... The list is long. Many folks assist at these events; very few will fumigate or chastise for lack of 'parts'. One plays with what one has. We do (or rather, did...) 'Beds Are Burning' (Midnight Oil...); our (excellent...) singer fills in the trombone solo with a vocal approximation. On one occasion, we had the pleasure of being able to call on the Kiemsa horn section, who did it 'properly' (at very short notice...). Much better, of course, but we couldn't call upon 'em every time..! No-one throws cabbages at us.

We are told (with some vehemence...) in another topic, that, with judicious EQ from a Good PA System, one may get a more-than-adequate bass drum sound from a humble biscuit tin (this may be slight exaggeration...), but even a modest drum can become great through FOH just by fx. Would this not make redundant the need for a Wal to get 'that' sound, as, presumably, it could be 'dialled in' with modern technology..? I'm not convinced, myself, but some would argue the case, I think.

If we had to invest in all that hi-tech stuff, we'd have to start charging money to [i]play[/i]..!

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1477141276' post='3160110'] no it doesn't a bass guitar does, a loud kick drum invades my frequency space, nothing worse than an overly loud kick drum IMO of course [/quote] An [i]overly [/i]loud bass is of no use to man nor beast, either, in my opinion.

Yes, I know; I'm old. I've said it before. I was touring with a variety dance band (guitar, bass drums, sax/flute, Rhodes, Hammond...) in the mid-late '70s. As the genre suggests, a whole gamut of styles, from tangos to jazz standards, latest hits and rock standards Chicago, Eagles, Stones... A long list, and a full ring binder. Everything was back-line, including the Leslie for the Hammond, excepting the vocals, sax/flute and Rhodes. We played all sorts and sizes of venues, from almost cathedral halls to marquees to club-houses; very few bars as such. I only once had my drums mic'ed, when I had a bass drum batter head split during set-up, and had to nail a square of plywood to each side of the head where the beater strikes. This produced a very thin 'Poc..! Poc..!'; an SM57 was laid into the shell and given a desk channel, and a quite convincing 'disco' sound dialled in. At no other time were the drums mic'ed; they never lacked presence, nor were too loud. One adapts to the room/venue, as do the other musicians, and no-one needs ear-plugs. 'Old school'..? Yes, certainly, but it worked then, and works now. For an outdoor festival, or an arena, the proportions are different, but for 'ordinary' gigs, a reasonable quality back-line controlled by competent musicians has always been successful. Other technologies are now available (including playing MIDI samples only through software, seated behind a table with headphones on...), and a good evening's entertainment can be had with other methods, I don't doubt, but there's no need to change what's not broken, either. If it's good, it's good. While I respect the point of view of someone starting from scratch coming to different conclusions that us old buffers, I don't see why derision or scorn has to be poured on anyone using tried and tested techniques that work well. If it's done badly, a hi-tech solution will be cr@p, too, I suspect. Good gear, well used is fine now as then. Other options are now available..? Good.

[quote name='leroydiamond' timestamp='1477057906' post='3159584']...a little more oomph from the kick drum... [/quote] Have you (and the drummer, of course..!) exhausted all of the options of tuning, changing the batter and/or resonant head..? Using an un-ported head..? There's a lot that can be done to change the overall tone of any drum. Just a thought..?

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1477045997' post='3159435']...shouting very loudly in the ears of the most attractive girls in the audience... [/quote] Another advocate of In-Ear Monitoring, then..?

[quote name='HengistPod' timestamp='1477044700' post='3159417']... What's a BL, by the way? [/quote] BL = Band Leader

You really are a funny old lot, sometimes. My bass drum needs no amplification whatsoever, and is, in itself, by concept, a 'sub'. We sometimes add a spot of 'kick' (but not the low end...) into the tops, just to 'integrate it a little, not to make it louder. We don't play LOUD; we play at reasonable volumes (it's rock, but the idea is not to pin folks to the back wall...). Yes, we could go amp-less and use an electronic kit. The net result for us, with the new PA, plus in-ears, mics, stands etc, would be an expense with no real benefit, as we already have a satisfactory result. Why can it not be understood that there can be several solutions, and several interpretations..? Yes, I'm 'old school' mainly (but not only...) because I'm old..! I've known how to do this successfully (modestly...) for close to fifty years. I've spent almost as much time behind the desk, both for FOH, monitoring and lights, as I have drumming. I've toured most of France with Kiemsa, and played all sorts of dates with The Daub'z, without counting the weddings and functions as a duo, or with a swing band, and the several years assisting with our local summer festival, Les Trois Elephants. No, this not bragging; just suggesting that, if I'm no longer [i]au parfum[/i] of the latest trends, pubs is pubs is pubs, and there are more ways to skin a cat. You are, indeed, a funny old lot, sometimes.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1476985647' post='3159047'] Why? Subs give the low end frequencies that tops just can't give. There's a difference between fidelity and volume. The latter has to be appropriate for the venue. [/quote] The bass cab [i]is [/i]the sub. No need for any more in the venues we normally play. Bigger scenes have the full works, but bars..? No need, for us.

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1476978877' post='3158967'] Sendind everything to the PA provides a better overall sound mix... [/quote] You're perhaps playing in larger venues than we usually do. For a concert hall, I'd entirely agree, but for a pub/club/bar, there's absolutely no need (for us...) to mic up guitar half-stacks, nor the bass. Once the PA volume is set for the singer, we all play to that level. We're not trying to deafen anyone, and in a small (ish...) room, no instrumental band would even need a PA at all. One has to reign in more than turn up in most places we play. Not the same for festivals, or open air stages, of course, but pubs..? Nah; voice only (and a touch of bass drum, sometimes...).

How many drummers have been made redundant by drum machines..?

[quote name='plumbob' timestamp='1476900151' post='3158323']... Oh I can never get that youtube thing to work can someone do it for me , ta ! [/quote] For next time;;; Copy the link given by the 'Share' button, which is just above the Uploaded date, above the Comments. Paste the link into the post being edited. Delete the 's' from the 'https' at the start of that link Enjoy..!

http://youtu.be/LQBkoqjL6pw

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1476892958' post='3158210'] From what i'm reading here most of the bands that use a PA for vox in fact only have a pair of tops. With a couple of subs below (and if you've got a quality PA) your bass sound will be better overall and dispersed through every corner of the venue. We have a low volume on stage sound, i can hear everybody, both guitar combos and vocal monitor and they can hear me. If i had to push my amp to fill the room (and if the guitars did the same) i would start to lose parts of the drum kit and wouldn't be able to hear the vocals (neither would the singer). [/quote] We use only tops in pub-size venues. The bass through our Hiwatt and HH cab give as good as any sub, so we wouldn't benefit. Vox only, and a smidgen of bass drum in the tops (no 'bottom-end punch, just a presence, that's all...). No point in a pair of subs either; the bass will be spread just fine with just one in most venues. That's what the bass cab is [i]for[/i], in fact..!

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1476884373' post='3158088'] For those of you only using minimal PA - any of you using an SVT Classic with two large cabs as your bass backline? [/quote] Does a Hiwatt DR205 and an HH 2x15 count..? Not that we play loud at all; our amps have volume pots that work.

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