stingrayPete1977

http://www.recordingmag.com/glossary/B/42.html As a site of musicians (I use the term lightly for myself!) strictly speaking we should use the correct terms imo, it only generates more arguements down the line

Thats just 'putting a bit of....' in the PA, not bleed.

One of my bands has electric drums, weird on stage as you can talk at normal volume to each other while the pa deafens the audience! Bleed is where the mics pick up other instruments, in this case the keys and other instruments can be heard via the singers mic coming from the pa a bit 'bleeding' out, its why some big stages have drums behind a screen afaik, vocal booths for live recording to keep a clean vocal track etc.

Im in the middle, weeks of going over the same stuff that someone (99% of the time the drummer) still hasnt learnt is painful, on the other hand im not good enough to blag it 100% so I like at least one run through before a dep gig or a few rehearsals if its a song for our own band. I know ebs freak's band dont rehearse at all, the email is sent, the song is learnt or perfectly sight read on the gig, if you cant stand the heat and all that! they can have many songs in a week to learn yet they are super tight, thats why they are booked up years in advance!

I like the sound of your band though! Best wishes with the fingers

Angel Dust, pearl jam Ten, Nirvana nevermind, pumkins siamese dream all went round and round my walkman for about three years with very little else

[quote name='slingo' timestamp='1409675323' post='2542135'] What a strange lot you all are [size=4] - I have plenty of info now now about which cars it[i] will[/i] fit in but no one has actually answered my original question lol[/size] [/quote] I was thinking that! Lol. If I get chance I will measure my moms Alfa for you.

[url="http://youtu.be/_4JIfIeQdoY"]http://youtu.be/_4JIfIeQdoY[/url] Oooh yeah nice you were right interpol52

[quote name='interpol52' timestamp='1409670003' post='2542042'] Haha! Good point! There is some footage on youtube of them doing Ava Adore on Jools Holland, the bass sound on that during the first verse is amazing! I liked Darcy, they never were the same without her, she looks a bit funny now mind... [/quote] Darcy with her stingray in 1992 was basically my idea of heaven, these days I think I'd rather have a go on her stingray though, lol. Anyone know what type of bass Billy used in the studio? I guess must good studios in the 90s had a P, J and MM knocking around, or something totally different.

[quote name='Norris' timestamp='1409657316' post='2541880'] Out. They are pubs ffs, not arenas. Keep the volume to sensible levels & LISTEN TO EACH OTHER. [/quote] The funny thing is I actually agree with this but I'm not the one taking a thousand watt amp,a Mackie pa and a pair of subs to the pub am I? If the venue size warrants that gear then it should be able to go through the pa no problem what else are the subs for else? Even if you are controlling the overall sound from the stage area you need to set the levels with or without it going through the desk the only difference being to get an even sound around the room the stage area sound will be compromised without a bit of everything in the pa, usually ending in a volume war and an empty pub. Again this only applies to a pub large enough to require the full pa.

If this is a small pub then by all means just use the amps as back line but leave the subs at home!

So only bands with an engineer out front can put everything through the pa? This is Bollocks of the highest order, if anything getting the mix level as possible through the pa is better as knob twiddling won't affect the mix out front during the gig, as soon as you crank that bass amp enough for the whole room to hear the guitarists will match it if not double it, vocals can't be heard so the pa his louder etc etc etc, if you can't get a good even sound from a pair of Mackie subs and Mackie tops in a pub you should not be allowed to touch anything!

[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1409649580' post='2541771'] Well, you've qualified it now to your own personal experience and the generalisation was all I really took exception to. Sorry for being short yesterday - I wasn't having the best of days. FWIW, EBMM products seem fine to me, I keep having little wiffs of GAS when I see a Big Al... I really don't think EBMM get much of a rough ride around here though - there's this muttering about weak G strings (which I'm pretty sure if it does exist happens in a tiny number of cases and most of the time could be chased out through setup or choice of strings). If anything, the worst negative thing that sticks out in my mind mentioned here about EBMM is their rabid official forum (which I've never visited, admittedly) where apparently you'll get shot down in flames by a horde of fanbois if you dare to say anything negative about the company's products? I can't really answer the OP's questions - I lack the experience of P and J basses to give any solid guidance and after getting in a spat about generalisations it would be rather hypocritical of me to wheel some out right now What I will say is try both, play whatever you play and see which you prefer the sound and feel of, after all you're the one that's going to be playing the bass. Or just buy one of each [/quote] No worries and I agree on the big Al gas

[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1409578692' post='2541063'] Some of you just can't resist a sly dig in the ribs, eh? [/quote] Sorry I missed this yesterday, every Rick I have played was terrible, every Gibson I have tried had neck dive so these are my findings, if that upsets people that's just how it is, do I cry in my corn flakes at the mention of weak G strings, active basses sucking, over priced mass produced ebmm basses? Nope.

My Mom has the alfa and my sister the kia, but I'm not within bass in boot testing distance right now.

I will see what I think of bassace's then, looks neat!

I am looking forward to hearing that at the bash bassace, I have a Genz STL 3.0 too, whats it like with that amp? Dare I ask how much these are triggno9?!

[quote name='BILL POSTERS' timestamp='1409602775' post='2541477'] Sometimes it works out OK. A guy let me use his very nice Trace rig on Saturday even though my own gear was on site. Just made life easier as his was already on the stage. [/quote] I have no issue with this, if its a ballache to move gear about and the sun is shining and the beer is nice I am all for using someone elses amp if they offer it to me, likewise I might offer mine if I can see they have bought one with them. If the support band are young and have a practice type amp but are friendly and appear as though they wont break stuff I will offer it up too, the last one had an old marshall combo about 30watts, his face using the Genz 9.2 shuttlemax and 2x12 cab was worth letting him use it Turn up with a silly haircut, no amp and no manners then be preapred to hear what a clean DI coming back at you via a beer and piss soaked PA wedge from the 80s sounds like

[quote name='Pinball' timestamp='1409600183' post='2541426'] Judging from your sig you like your Ray5's. I know where to come if I want advice. My budget? Yes I had my sights set quite low but sold some stuff that mean't I can look a little higher but not at the top end of that. Just getting things in my sights. Someone just pointed out G&L's. I like those too. Cheers [/quote] I dont mind them Certainly put the Ray35 in the mix with the stuff on par price wise, Yammys, Ibanez SR etc but if you went nearer the grand used I would go for a used SR5 over a new Ray35 myself. With a budget of a grand though you could get something sh*t hot used or new, I agree with G and L they do a whole range of good stuff and it amazes me I have never owned one myself for no real reason, why are you ruling out 35" scales? Lakland do some very nice basses, a 55-02 skyline used would do every gig ever asked of you and it for the foreseeable future

Printed in off, Douglas you are a legend! I promise no more drummer jokes....well...less drummer jokes maybe

It is similar to what I have worked out but I cant really whip that out at the practice if I need a recap, Lol

Good old Macca does it again, these sort of tunes get me in a right mess. As I said in another thread I have an audition on thursday, I wanted to nail a reggae one from the list as they requested so I sorted Bob Marley 3 little birds thanks to Allie's notes, the rest of the set I already know 8 of the songs and its a 1 hour session including saying our hellos and setting up gear, plenty then right? Nope, I get a text giving me the list of tracks they now want to do, why send me the whole list over! Of course the list contains one song I know and one I can blag and five I did not have much idea about ,pretenders, blondie etc all learnt fairly quickly, one way or another riff thing not right yet but close enough for now, I get to the Beatles Please Please Me thinking well that will be easy.......Notes anyone!

Plus you can afford a little more [i]bite [/i]in your own rig without having no bottom end in the mix, I always pre EQ before the desk because it is as they say FTW

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1409595357' post='2541323'] Out...the P.A isn't man enough to handle full bass...so I wouldn't even bother with a bass bleed. You'll not gain anything and you could possibly compromise the Vox and other signals. [/quote] 2 Mackie subs are more than capable of taking some bass guitar at pub volume, why will the voacls be going down there, are they a Barry White tribute show? I am saying in with that PA

If you are going up to a grand go for an ebmm ray5 instead of a sterling ray, nowt wrong with the 35 but your budget is quite wide ranging from your description.