theFALLEN Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Hey guys, Need a bit of advice if you'd mind giving it! Basically I am wondering whether an Ashdown ABM500 EVO II head would do a good job of powering an 810 cabinet? Obviously if the impedances matched etc etc. Would the head be able to power the cab sufficiently or would it be under powered? A bit about me: I play a Musicman Stringray 3EQ in a heavy rock band with a similar sound to KillSwitch Engage/ Avenged Sevenfold. I am up against a lot of electronic samples, two EVH5505 guitar sticks, a lot of backing vocals and a big a$$ drumkit... I am aiming for a warm, low, punchy sound (which I am achieving currently) but need it bigger and much louder! Thanks guys, any advice that you give would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 What 8x10 is it? They don't tend to go very low, ported one might be better. Should be plenty of power if you are after an 8x10 sound. If you have the right sound now, go for more of the same. What are you currently running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFALLEN Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='803901' date='Apr 12 2010, 04:52 PM']What 8x10 is it? They don't tend to go very low, ported one might be better. Should be plenty of power if you are after an 8x10 sound. If you have the right sound now, go for more of the same. What are you currently running?[/quote] I am currently running the Ashdown 575 watt head with a 210 cab. I havn't really tried many 810 cabs yet but will probably want to look at either an Ashdown ABM or perhaps the new Hartke Hydrive?... Also, what does ported mean?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='theFALLEN' post='803897' date='Apr 12 2010, 04:49 PM']Hey guys, Need a bit of advice if you'd mind giving it! Basically I am wondering whether an Ashdown ABM500 EVO II head would do a good job of powering an 810 cabinet? Obviously if the impedances matched etc etc. Would the head be able to power the cab sufficiently or would it be under powered? A bit about me: I play a Musicman Stringray 3EQ in a heavy rock band with a similar sound to KillSwitch Engage/ Avenged Sevenfold. I am up against a lot of electronic samples, two EVH5505 guitar sticks, a lot of backing vocals and a big a$$ drumkit... I am aiming for a warm, low, punchy sound (which I am achieving currently) but need it bigger and much louder! Thanks guys, any advice that you give would be much appreciated.[/quote] I've used an Ashdown ABM900 head (575+575 watts) with an Ampeg 8x10 and an Ampeg 6x10. It was absolutely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFALLEN Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='EssentialTension' post='803944' date='Apr 12 2010, 05:43 PM']I've used an Ashdown ABM900 head (575+575 watts) with an Ampeg 8x10 and an Ampeg 6x10. It was absolutely fine.[/quote] ...But that was twice the size of the head I have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='theFALLEN' post='803950' date='Apr 12 2010, 05:49 PM']...But that was twice the size of the head I have? [/quote] And twice the cabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFALLEN Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 So apart from knowing that someone runs twice the cabs with twice the power, does anyone have any actual genuine advice to offer me please? Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Ported cabs have a hole in to let air into the box, they are generally bottomier and more efficient. 8x10s are usually sealed, bit more primitive, and a bit more its own sound. I have an ABM 8x10 and its not really bottomy enough for me on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='theFALLEN' post='804091' date='Apr 12 2010, 08:21 PM']So apart from knowing that someone runs twice the cabs with twice the power, does anyone have any actual genuine advice to offer me please? Thanks guys.[/quote] It was genuine advice. Your amp delivers 575 watts @ 4 ohms; a 4 ohm Ampeg 810 handles up to 800 watts; my experience is that they worked fine together. I'm sorry that you thought it not genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protium Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 575W into an 8x10 will be LOUD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='Protium' post='804197' date='Apr 12 2010, 09:26 PM']575W into an 8x10 will be LOUD[/quote] Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplatt Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 there is no such thing as underpowering a cab, it does not even make sense in itself. So don't worry about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 An efficient 300 watt amp is more than capable of driving an 8x10 to silly levels of volume. Used a Mesa Walkabout head through an 8x10 and it cut through two full marshall guitar stacks and a very loud drummer. Ashdown Evos sound fine through an Ampeg 8x10. It is the stock set up in a few rehearsal studios around Glasgow. Personally I think that the Ampeg cabs are better than the Ashdown cabs, but the price of 8x10 Mag cab is really good value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttitudeCastle Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 handy talkbass.com thread i found may offer insight, [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=632001"]http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=632001[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluRay Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 [quote name='theFALLEN' post='803913' date='Apr 12 2010, 05:01 PM']I am currently running the Ashdown 575 watt head with a 210 cab.[/quote] Just a thought, but why don't you just add a 410? You'll get very close to same result - you'd benefit from the "full" 575w, plus a really flexible set up 210, 410, 610. Easier to lug about and store. Reduced hernia risk also I have an abm and the second cab makes all the difference. In answer to the actual question - the ABM head should be absolutely fine, assuming all things compatible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 2x15 would be my prefference for lows and warmth. Barefaced do one that's LOUD! But yes assuming ohmage is matched and the 8x10 isn't rated too high it'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwoff Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Same here used a Markbass Lm250 head only 250W into 810 bo5th 8ohm so both working efficiently and it was stupidly loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylon Pilson Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 [quote name='BluRay' post='804552' date='Apr 13 2010, 08:29 AM']Just a thought, but why don't you just add a 410? You'll get very close to same result - you'd benefit from the "full" 575w, plus a really flexible set up 210, 410, 610. Easier to lug about and store. Reduced hernia risk also I have an abm and the second cab makes all the difference.[/quote] I wouldn't recommend this. Assuming that the 210 is an 8 ohm cab, then you'd need the 410 to also be an 8 ohm cab to keep the combined impedance above 4 ohm. However, this will then mean that when you run them together, the speakers in the 210 are working twice as hard as the speakers in the 410. S.P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 [quote name='Stylon Pilson' post='804626' date='Apr 13 2010, 10:13 AM']I wouldn't recommend this. Assuming that the 210 is an 8 ohm cab, then you'd need the 410 to also be an 8 ohm cab to keep the combined impedance above 4 ohm. However, this will then mean that when you run them together, the speakers in the 210 are working twice as hard as the speakers in the 410. S.P.[/quote] 16 ohm 2x10 is best way, then its equivalent to a 6x10 at 5.3 ohm (usually marked 6). Probably better buying my 6x12 though, be lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noisyjon Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 [quote name='theFALLEN' post='803913' date='Apr 12 2010, 05:01 PM']I am currently running the Ashdown 575 watt head with a 210 cab.[/quote] I'm another that would recommend looking at the Barefaced Vintage model (the 2x15", 4 ohm, 800W thing!). Considering the bass, amp and music you play that cab may be a really good solution for you. I use 2 of the Compact models (1x15" cabs) so essentially the same thing which may also be an option for you... Good luck, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluRay Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 [quote name='Stylon Pilson' post='804626' date='Apr 13 2010, 10:13 AM']I wouldn't recommend this. Assuming that the 210 is an 8 ohm cab, then you'd need the 410 to also be an 8 ohm cab to keep the combined impedance above 4 ohm. However, this will then mean that when you run them together, the speakers in the 210 are working twice as hard as the speakers in the 410. S.P.[/quote] Yes fair enough - if the smaller cab cant comfortably take half the load then it would strain it. But if it can (like an amb 210, say) then no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomBassmonkey Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 [quote name='Stylon Pilson' post='804626' date='Apr 13 2010, 10:13 AM']I wouldn't recommend this. Assuming that the 210 is an 8 ohm cab, then you'd need the 410 to also be an 8 ohm cab to keep the combined impedance above 4 ohm. However, this will then mean that when you run them together, the speakers in the 210 are working twice as hard as the speakers in the 410. S.P.[/quote] Is that a big problem? I'm currently running a 400w 2x10 (GK 210RBH) and thinking about getting a cheap Ashdown Mag410T (350w) to beef up the volume from my 700RB-II. Considering the speakers in the 210 are rated at over twice the power of the 410, that shouldn't be a problem, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluRay Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 [quote name='ThomBassmonkey' post='806069' date='Apr 14 2010, 02:31 PM']Is that a big problem? I'm currently running a 400w 2x10 (GK 210RBH) and thinking about getting a cheap Ashdown Mag410T (350w) to beef up the volume from my 700RB-II. Considering the speakers in the 210 are rated at over twice the power of the 410, that shouldn't be a problem, right?[/quote] The 210 sould be absoultely fine with the MAG, assuming is 8ohm. Don't know anything about biamping tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBass Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 I think it would be fine. It sounds like a rather heavy rig, though... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grambo Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 [quote name='BluRay' post='804552' date='Apr 13 2010, 08:29 AM']Just a thought, but why don't you just add a 410? You'll get very close to same result - you'd benefit from the "full" 575w, plus a really flexible set up 210, 410, 610. Easier to lug about and store. Reduced hernia risk also I have an abm and the second cab makes all the difference. In answer to the actual question - the ABM head should be absolutely fine, assuming all things compatible.[/quote] +1 I run an EVO III 500 with 1X ABM 210T which is great for practice, 1X 410T which is good for most mid sized venues, and both cabs if I want to get stupidly loud! The cabs are 8 Ohm each, so running both not only moves a great deal of air, but drives the amp at maximum output. I find the setup does everything I want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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