Wireless on DB

[PaulKing]

But of course Jack ... you must have a pre-amp mounted to your bass right?

In which case this is what you're getting:

 

5. Schatten Mini-pre into Joyo. Lush, perfect. But it needs that pre-amp!

 

Move along now.

Edited Wednesday at 18:11 by PaulKing

[Happy Jack]

Preamp on the board rather than on the bass itself, but yes.

 

Can't help but notice that most of the 'extra' response seems to be below 40Hz ... 

[Happy Jack]

3 hours ago, PaulKing said:

 

Are you using a piezo then?

 

I have two piezos on the AliKat, but a Schaller 411 on the Alcoa, and the BSX Allegro uses a multi-sensor piezo bridge system coupled with active circuit Bartolini electronics so it's piezo Paul, but not as we know it.

 

[MacDaddy]

28 minutes ago, Happy Jack said:

 

I have two piezos on the AliKat, but a Schaller 411 on the Alcoa, and the BSX Allegro uses a multi-sensor piezo bridge system coupled with active circuit Bartolini electronics so it's piezo Paul, but not as we know it.

 

 

 

 

 

[PaulKing]

1 hour ago, Happy Jack said:

Preamp on the board rather than on the bass itself, but yes.

 

Can't help but notice that most of the 'extra' response seems to be below 40Hz ... 

Do what?  Bunkum chap!

You're totally right the cut gets bigger as the frequency gets lower. That's exactly what an impedance mis-match does!

But look at it, EVERYTHING below 1k is significantly cut. That is a huge loss of energy at the bottom end. LUFS meter would plummet with all that meat gone!

Honestly, if you could hear the audio of those signals, it was a really big difference.. like someone rolled the bass and low mid knobs on your amp down to 1. 

So I answered my question: YES the JOYO has a normal / general purpose (ie low) input-impedance (presumably 220kOhms). Perfect for bass guitar, or pre-amped signal, but rules out using it without a buffer/preamp/active circuitry between the piezo and the transmitter. For me. 100%. Cos otherwise it's only sending a shadow of the signal coming out of the pickup (as my ears clearly told me, and the spectrum shows).

 

If you had to, you could EQ it to boost those missing low ends, or cut the mids and highs to level out the signal before boosting everything... but you're building a noisier, more feedbacky signal and it's all just a bit... urghh. Why throw away half your signal then try to artificially boost it back? 😆

 

Course it doesn't matter a jot if you HAVE got a preamp BEFORE the wireless, or active electronics... or even a mag pup like whot you got. 
I just want as little crap as poss hanging off my bass ... even if the Schatten MiniPre is only the size of a sardine can. 👍

 

I shall enjoy using the JOYO with my bass guitar, as I'd intended in the first place. Thanks for the recommendation!    

Edited Wednesday at 21:25 by PaulKing

[Burns-bass]

I did try wireless in the end but it all felt a bit 80s to me so I went back to a trusty old cable.

 

I respect the level of effort that has gone into this. It will not be forgotten.

[Paddy Morris]

Do you ever have trouble with the Line 6 dropping out in a crowded gig with lots of people's phones on that 2.4GHz band?

 

I read on another theead that people have been finding 5.8GHz more reliable.

 

Thanks for posting those spectrum plots.  The G10 must have a pretty chunky input impedance.  Some people have been recommending the NuX wireless systems.  Has anyone tried one of these on a DB?

 

 

[pete.young]

I've used a SmoothHound system with both a Shadow piezo pickup and a Krivo magnetic and it seems to work fine with both, so I'd infer that it's working at a higher impedance level, although I don' t have a way to measure it.

[PaulKing]

@Paddy MorrisIf they'd made it in 5.8GHz back in the day I'd have bought it for sure

But even so, no I've never had any issues with drop out or interference, even playing busy venues.

I do notice a latency delay if I stray too far from the stage, which I have a habit of doing. Well more correctly my band mates do 😆. 

I've never regretted buying two of these ... very sad that one of the transmitters has become unreliable after all these years.

 

And yep, input impedance is 1.4MOhms. Boom.   

[PaulKing]

12 hours ago, Paddy Morris said:

Some people have been recommending the NuX wireless systems.  Has anyone tried one of these on a DB?

 

 

It would appear they have. Because .... (drum roll) >1MOhm input resistance. 👍 Hooray!!!  Piezo friendly!

 

None other than Mr Gollihur recommends this:

https://gollihurmusic.com/wireless-instrument-system-c-5rc-5-8-ghz-with-included-charging-case/?srsltid=AfmBOorwoZ6ZSI_LC1NllFLzc3RyC_waUxujIQJjw4zeAR4v1GHXL_IO

Nice article ... says exactly what I've been rabbiting on about.

 

Right, this might be going on the xmas present list. But it is £120 vs £30-£40 for the cheapo low impedance ones.

[Paddy Morris]

40 minutes ago, PaulKing said:

 

I'm definitely getting one.  A Gollihur recommendation is the gold standard.  I had a complaint that there wasn't enough bass spinning at our last gig.  Never mind that I played quite a few of the right notes, some of them in the right order! Unless there are also bass-related acrobatics involved, people don't feel they've had their money's worth FFS.

[PaulKing]

30 minutes ago, Paddy Morris said:

I'm definitely getting one.  A Gollihur recommendation is the gold standard.  I had a complaint that there wasn't enough bass spinning at our last gig.  Never mind that I played quite a few of the right notes, some of them in the right order! Unless there are also bass-related acrobatics involved, people don't feel they've had their money's worth FFS.

Ain't it the truth. Ruins your bass too, all that nonsense. Mine get more dog-eared every gig.

[Happy Jack]

59 minutes ago, Paddy Morris said:

I'm definitely getting one.  A Gollihur recommendation is the gold standard.  I had a complaint that there wasn't enough bass spinning at our last gig.  Never mind that I played quite a few of the right notes, some of them in the right order! Unless there are also bass-related acrobatics involved, people don't feel they've had their money's worth FFS.

 

27 minutes ago, PaulKing said:

Ain't it the truth. Ruins your bass too, all that nonsense. Mine get more dog-eared every gig.

 

I tried that bass-spinning lark but as soon as the bass passed through the reversed position and the strings touched/brushed my fingers/hand that killed the notes of course.

 

I thought it might be a matter of technique but if that's the case then I haven't found which method is reliably successful.

 

Spinning end-over-end doesn't work at all. I know that now.

 

[PaulKing]

I find the technique that works best is to wait until you're not playing any notes. Seems to bypass that problem.😜

Still cheesy as cheesy peas, but to hell with it.

If you're playing in 12 bar D you can flip it end-over onto the scroll and play open notes. That was pretty usual business for me for a while. 

Gotta love an open-note bassline, so subtle. 😁 

[velvetkevorkian]

4 minutes ago, PaulKing said:

I find the technique that works best is to wait until you're not playing any notes. Seems to bypass that problem.😜

Still cheesy as cheesy peas, but to hell with it.

If you're playing in 12 bar D you can flip it end-over onto the scroll and play open notes. That was pretty usual business for me for a while. 

Gotta love an open-note bassline, so subtle. 😁 

Just thinking about this is stressing me out 🙃