End Of An Era - new strings

[Happy Jack 4,701]

Way way back in April 2011 I bought a DB from @Clarky. This was an Andreas Zeller 3/4 fitted with Silver Slaps which were perhaps two years old at the time. I loved those strings, loved them so much that I kept them on until they'd become as supple as rubber bands and were developing little nicks which were inevitably going to break eventually.

Knowing that I would be at NAMM in January, and noticing that Gollihur were doing a special on some very nice strings, I ordered a set to be delivered to my sister in Pasadena for collection by me as I passed through.

Walking through NAMM with Silvie, we happened to come across the Gamut Music stall and a DB fitted with these wrapped gut strings.

Now my view of gut strings is similar to that I used to have of fretless bass before I tried playing one ... I really, really ought to give this a try but I'm worried that it won't end well.

I now play fretless basses as freely and casually as fretted, and I have long since lost any nervousness about it, so I couldn't resist these guts. They looked, felt, and sounded very cool indeed.

They went on every bit as easily as any other DB strings, in other words they were a right PITA to install, but that's something that only needs to happen (IME) once a decade.

Wrapped or not, they're still gut and they take a long time to stabilise. They've now been on for 48 hours and still need to be tuned back up a semi three times a day! 

Not to worry. I anticipated this and waited to install them until I had a 2-week gap between gigs on DB.

Way too early to consider writing a review of them, but once I have a few gigs with them under my belt and maybe some video worth sharing, I'll return to this.

 

[Silvia Bluejay 1,761]

The company does all sorts of very weird and wonderful things, judging by their website.

[Clarky 1,181]

So long and farewell Silver Slaps, you served us both well

[Clarky 1,181]

BTW in time honoured Jack and Clarky BassChat tradition, if you don't get on with the new strings I will trade you for a barely used (as in few months old) set of Slaps (Golden not Silver but identical, colour apart) plus a bit of moolah! 🤣

Edited February 22, 2020 by Clarky

[Silvia Bluejay 1,761]

LOL I bought Jack a new set of Silver Slaps anyway, because he gave me his for my Eminence a few months ago.

We're awash with Silver Slaps, but do bear in mind that production has moved to the US from Wales, as per this on Gollihur's site:

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Concerning rumors of "re-formulation" of Innovation Strings, with GHS Update for Summer 2019

In early 2017, some rumors started, saying that Innovation strings had been "reformulated" and "were not the same" as strings produced before. At that time, I confirmed with the manufacturer in Wales that the cores for ALL Innovation strings had not been altered for at least 5-6 years prior to that. The only change had been the silk colors for the Silver Slaps, changing from mauve to purple, and the gradual switch from their old style "slug" ends to a more common-style ball end.

In 2019, GHS Strings (USA) acquired Innovation, and brought over their winding machinery and materials stock, and have been trained to make the strings exactly the same way as before, so there will be no difference or reformulation moving forward, either. Same strings, now made in the USA!

No problem with that change, but I expect them to become far more expensive due to having to be shipped across the Atlantic...

PS - Incidentally, for anyone interested in the Gamut guts, clicking on the photos in Jack's post opens a separate window where the images can be seen in all their detail, and enlarged.

Edited February 22, 2020 by Silvia Bluejay

[TheRev 248]

56 minutes ago, Clarky said:

BTW in time honoured Jack and Clarky BassChat tradition, if you don't get on with the new strings I will trade you for a barely used (as in few months old) set of Slaps (Golden not Silver but identical, colour apart) plus a bit of moolah! 🤣

I'd be interested in your Golden Slaps if Jack isn't. Just sayin'.

[Marc S 751]

I'd be interested to know what you think of the new strings, once they've settled and you've done a few gigs with them Happy Jack

I had silver slaps on my David Gage until recently. I liked the slaps, I must say. Just wondering how these strings compare. 

cheers both

Marc

 

[Clarky 1,181]

On 22/02/2020 at 16:02, TheRev said:

I'd be interested in your Golden Slaps if Jack isn't. Just sayin'.

... and as an addendum, my Golden Slaps are now residing on TheRev's bass!!!

[Happy Jack 4,701]

4 minutes ago, Marc S said:

I'd be interested to know what you think of the new strings, once they've settled and you've done a few gigs with them Happy Jack

 

Only one gig so far, Marc, with the second coming up on Friday.

First thing to note is that I thought I'd allowed plenty of time for these strings to settle to pitch - big mistake! For the first 10 days I was tuning back up a semitone at least twice a day to keep it honest. By the night of the gig they had finally settled and I relaxed, but I then discovered that playing three sets of rockabilly is really quite different from occasionally checking the tuning. 

I must have checked & corrected the tuning at least a dozen times during that gig. My blushes were spared by the inebriated state of the guitarist, whose own tuning issues did an excellent job of disguising mine.

Next, the difference between very-well-played-in Silver Slaps and brand-new coated guts should not be underestimated. The gig was seriously hard work, and my fingers were aching mercilessly long before the end.

Finally, I loved the tone and I have every expectation that these strings are going to settle in wonderfully over time.

Cancellations allowing, I'll be gigging this bass every weekend for the next 12 weeks. More to come ...

 

[Duckyincarnate 22]

Nice write-up. I do think you are probably a bit too optimistic about the longevity of real gut strings - count on getting about one or two years out of them before they start to false. Three if you're lucky. Also, they can break a lot more easily if used for slapping. Great sound though. 

[Happy Jack 4,701]

And then Lockdown hit and everything went quiet for a couple of months.

Mid-May and we had our first rehearsal (in a civically-reponsible, socially-distanced sort of way) out in my two acres of woodlands up in the Chilterns, and I was struggling. The Red Diamonds still hadn't settled, and the bass need to have the tuning checked - especially the E and A - after each and every song.

In June we had several more outdoor rehearsals, and the bloody strings still wouldn't settle.

Yesterday we had our third session in July and I finally lost it. Enough is enough, this is no longer acceptable, and I simply wouldn't be prepared to play a proper gig with these strings on my bass.

Luckily enough, I am associated with Double Bass String Resource Support Group (sometimes known as @Clarky) and he was able to talk me down from the ceiling and recommend a fix. I will shortly be ordering the E and A strings from a set of Evah Pirazzi Slaps and seeing how they sit alongside the D and G strings from Red Diamond.

Watch this space.

 

 

[Clarky 1,181]

6 hours ago, Happy Jack said:

 

Luckily enough, I am associated with Double Bass String Resource Support Group (sometimes known as @Clarky) and he was able to talk me down from the ceiling and recommend a fix. I will shortly be ordering the E and A strings from a set of Evah Pirazzi Slaps and seeing how they sit alongside the D and G strings from Red Diamond.

Watch this space.

 

 

And of course, in true BassChat fashion, I will probably buy the Evah Slap E and A off @Happy Jack in the unlikely event he doesn't get on with them, lol!

[Happy Jack 4,701]

1 minute ago, Clarky said:

And of course, in true BassChat fashion, I will probably buy the Evah Slap E and A off @Happy Jack in the unlikely event he doesn't get on with them, lol!

You appear to be a man of taste and discrimination. Could I perchance interest you in a pair of copper-wound gut strings for a double bass? They have an attractive reddish hue ...

 

[Silvia Bluejay 1,761]

Here we go...

[PaulKing 57]

Hmmm ... reading this with interest. I SO expected it to turn out different!

Evah Slap E&A get a thumbs up from me. Not as low tension as you might hope. I've swung towards EP weichs though recently, to get more punch and definition. They still slap pretty well, but maybe not for trad rockabilly - a bit too stiff and just slightly metallic on the click where you want soft organic thunk. But in reality they arent much different from EP Slaps. 

They all settle and hold tuning easy as pie!

So, obvs I'm keen to try the Gamuts, just. because. Got any interest in them? Clarky nabbed yet?

Out of interest, do you stretch them when putting on? WIth gut and nylon I give them a good old pull and waggle about when on new .. a good inch or more off the fingerboard like I'm about to fire an arrow off the string... 

[PaulKing 57]

Gadzooks! Went off reading posts.

Sound a bit tensiony. And wait, ROUND wound?  Like OLD school. I'll stick with the EP weichs. 

And prompted by this I just put EP Slap E&A back on the Kay to go back to that really slap-friendly gut thump. And noticed Pirastro started doing D&G Slap in synthetic/chrome too. weren't available when I got the E&A. So bought me a D on the spot. That set is gonna sound sweet with a gut G. 

[PaulKing 57]

EP Slaps are noticeably lower tension than EP weichs. Makes those little drags and quads a doddle.

[PaulKing 57]

Ah this takes me back ... early trials with Cordes Lambert. Fantastic for slappity thunk...

 

[Happy Jack 4,701]

4 hours ago, PaulKing said:

So, obvs I'm keen to try the Gamuts, just. because. Got any interest in them? Clarky nabbed yet?

 

3 hours ago, PaulKing said:

I'll stick with the EP weichs. 

 

So is that an overall 'No', Paul? nThey're yours if you want to try them ...

[PaulKing 57]

I think I put myself off reading around! Don't sound quite like what I like...

If they were on a bass I'd be fascinated to try out, but overall, nope.

Ta though! 

[Happy Jack 4,701]

40 minutes ago, PaulKing said:

If they were on a bass I'd be fascinated to try out, but overall, nope.

My new strings are on the way here from Thomann ... you've got less than 48 hours to get your derriere over to Harrow!

[Happy Jack 4,701]

'Tis a shame, cos they do sound lurvely.

 

[PaulKing 57]

Yeh yeh gutsy!!

[neilp 165]

Once a decade?????? I wear out a set of strings in 18 months at the very outside.....

[Beer of the Bass 324]

I always feel like I'm lucky for actually enjoying the Spirocore sound. Finding the right gut or gutlike strings and then keeping them stable and long-lasting seems like a minefield! Though I'd still be curious to give it a go if I had space for a second bass some time...