FatFingersFlynn Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1480360304' post='3183724'] What were you planning on buying if you had sold it as planned on facebook? And what's the budget we have to spend for you? [/quote] I wasn't planning on purchasing another bass at the moment as I've already recently purchased another bass namely a Sire Marcus Miller V7 so was just going to move the jazz bass on as I already have a few other bass guitars. But I feel a bit cheeky asking for a full refund as at the time I was looking to buy a jazz bass & I do have a good relationship with PMT. But then on the other hand I'll have a store credit but don't want to go & spend on something else that I don't really need at the moment but feel I should respect there decision of a store credit as I've had this bass since March 2016. Edited November 28, 2016 by FatFingersFlynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 [quote name='FatFingersFlynn' timestamp='1480365449' post='3183783'] but feel I should respect there decision of a store credit. [/quote] Why? They sold you something which wasn't what they said it was. There's no binding contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 [quote name='FatFingersFlynn' timestamp='1480157177' post='3182049'] Ok thanks for all your help with this so far everyone. So basically this is not all genuine MIJ should I be entitled to a full refund from PMT as I purchased under the pretences that this was a genuine MIJ 1995? What proof can I show them to back up my claim guys? [/quote] I had one too, bought from the late mr oldgit- totally agree about the logo and butt end adjustment. Mine had non original tuners so can't comment on those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 [quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1480165383' post='3182140'] My Japanese Squier has truss rod adjustment at the heel. I didn't think any Japanese reissues had it at the headstock. [/quote] Jap 70s reissues do, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 [quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1480157862' post='3182055'] Here'a link to a recently sold one. The differences show. http://basschat.co.uk/topic/281608-198990-fender-jazz-bass-62-reissue-mij-sold/page__p__3023548__hl__mij%2062%20jazz__fromsearch__1#entry3023548 Your body has the earthing strip which suggests 62 RI. The ONLY way to confirm this is to take the neck off. The pocket should have something like JB62 LP. Assuming it is a 62 RI, the neck should also have an extra strap button on the back of the headstock (some call this a hootenany button I believe). [/quote] Yep on both points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) [quote name='FatFingersFlynn' timestamp='1480365449' post='3183783'] I wasn't planning on purchasing another bass at the moment as I've already recently purchased another bass namely a Sire Marcus Miller V7 so was just going to move the jazz bass on as I already have a few other bass guitars. But I feel a bit cheeky asking for a full refund as at the time I was looking to buy a jazz bass & I do have a good relationship with PMT. But then on the other hand I'll have a store credit but don't want to go & spend on something else that I don't really need at the moment but feel I should respect there decision of a store credit as I've had this bass since March 2016. [/quote] I disagree about having to accept a credit note. It's not as genuine as they claimed - that comes under the Sale of Goods Act. It is not that you have "changed you mind". Being blunt - they ripped you off. The fact they were fooled by the PXer is NOT your problem. They're professional traders, it's their responsibility to know what they're selling. If you're selling, then it's "buyer beware". But when a pro sells it's down to them to be right and proper about their trading practices. If you do accept their Credit-note, make sure the credit note is open-ended and this is written on there and signed - don't accept one with an expiry date. Otherwise you could find in 6 months that the loyalty you show them isn't a 2-way thing. Have a read of this thread: [url="http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4885109"]http://forums.moneys...d.php?t=4885109[/url] Edited November 28, 2016 by Grangur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr zed Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Get a full cash refund. We've seen plenty of examples of stores closing in recent years and vouchers/credit being worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 [quote name='mr zed' timestamp='1480379162' post='3183968'] Get a full cash refund. We've seen plenty of examples of stores closing in recent years and vouchers/credit being worthless. [/quote] I think PMT are fairly safe myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 [quote name='Geek99' timestamp='1480405797' post='3184017'] I think PMT are fairly safe myself [/quote] I'm sure they are, but anything can happen. OP - get your money back, and walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr zed Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1480408196' post='3184037'] I'm sure they are, but anything can happen. OP - get your money back, and walk away. [/quote] Indeed- I'm sure PMT are fine but I remember their stores being Sound Control who also seemed to be stable. Just a precaution - money back so you can spend it where you like - even a non-musically related activity should you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFingersFlynn Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Ok so I've taken the jazz bass back to PMT today & they've taken off the neck and this is what it shows on the body & neck & they match up. So what do these serial numbers tell you of the model etc does anybody know please. Serial Number :- JB-605R http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/20161129_131209_zpszbgf7qdx.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/20161129_131151_zpsx7hh2siw.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/20160921_205044_zpsijyevxi7.jpg Edited November 29, 2016 by FatFingersFlynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 [quote name='FatFingersFlynn' timestamp='1480426183' post='3184260'] Ok so I've taken the jazz bass back to PMT today & they've taken off the neck and this is what it shows & they match up. So what do these serial numbers tell you of the model etc please. [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/20161129_131209_zpszbgf7qdx.jpg"]http://i50.photobuck...zpszbgf7qdx.jpg[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/20161129_131151_zpsx7hh2siw.jpg"]http://i50.photobuck...zpsx7hh2siw.jpg[/url] [/quote] I dunno, but the hard fact remains that if it was sold to you as a MIJ 60s reissue, it ain't one of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFingersFlynn Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1480426590' post='3184266'] I dunno, but the hard fact remains that if it was sold to you as a MIJ 60s reissue, it ain't one of them.... [/quote] Yes it was sold as - "Fender Japanese Jazz bass 60's Reissue" on my receipt. So I've got a good case here. Need to wait till Saturday to go back to see the manager as he wasn't in. But I was informed that due to how long I've had it! but to me that's not the case if this doesn't all add up it's mislead trade descriptions act & you have 6 years to make a case or 5 years in Scotland. I don't need a store credit as I have enough bass guitars. To me it doesn't matter how long I've had it it's misleading representation of what I thought I was buying which was a made in Japan 60's classic reissue that's the reason I purchased in the first instance Edited November 30, 2016 by FatFingersFlynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]This is a useful thread - Just sold [/font][color=#323232][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Fender Japan Jazz 62 RI[/font][/color] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/295413-sold-fender-japan-jazz-62-ri-olympic-white-tort-great-condition-tweed-case-l600-shipped/page__fromsearch__1[/font] Snapped up fairly quick at £600. Yours is older, so that would probably add a few pounds to it? What would a Fender MIJ Jazz sell for? That difference is what you're really talking about. I guess he can give you the difference, or take the bass back for a full credit. What you say above sounds right on the money if you ask me. The fact that you've had the use of it for X months is the cost to them of getting it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 ok - but there is one of those here https://reverb.com/item/2787795-fender-japan-jb65-115nr-3-tone-sunburst and it has a body end adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFingersFlynn Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Right ok everyone I've figured out what's happened. The bass I've got is a standard made in Japan in 1995 & someone has added the grounding strip to make it look like a 60's classic reissue if you look at the photos it tells it all. This is a standard. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-51-14_zpse2xiv19a.png http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-50-40_zpsucaf6tzp.png http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-50-44_zpsytv4li4n.png http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-51-01_zpswyp6eeza.png And this is a 60's classic reissue. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-21_zpsu9lwg4th.png http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-33_zpsuivoeeky.png http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-35_zpsoxqxz5lp.png http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-38_zps76zxzjqa.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Fender JB65 115 NR , hootenanay button, heel adjustment [url="http://www.fantasista.pw/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7178"]http://www.fantasist...roducts_id=7178[/url] Edited November 29, 2016 by karlfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 [quote name='FatFingersFlynn' timestamp='1480440244' post='3184432'] Right ok everyone I've figured out what's happened. The bass I've got is a standard made in Japan in 1995 & someone has added the grounding strip to make it look like a 60's classic reissue if you look at the photos it tells it all. This is a standard. [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-51-14_zpse2xiv19a.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpse2xiv19a.png[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-50-40_zpsucaf6tzp.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpsucaf6tzp.png[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-50-44_zpsytv4li4n.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpsytv4li4n.png[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-51-01_zpswyp6eeza.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpswyp6eeza.png[/url] And this is a 60's classic reissue. [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-21_zpsu9lwg4th.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpsu9lwg4th.png[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-33_zpsuivoeeky.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpsuivoeeky.png[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-35_zpsoxqxz5lp.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zpsoxqxz5lp.png[/url] [url="http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/flynnmalcolm/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-11-29-15-52-38_zps76zxzjqa.png"]http://i50.photobuck...zps76zxzjqa.png[/url] [/quote] Nail > head. Nice work :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFingersFlynn Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1480440317' post='3184435'] Nail > head. Nice work :-) [/quote] Thanks Edited November 29, 2016 by FatFingersFlynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFingersFlynn Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) . Edited November 30, 2016 by FatFingersFlynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFingers Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Nice user name op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 [quote name='AndyTravis' timestamp='1480158147' post='3182056'] I would go down the route of suggesting it's a Japanese fender Jazz, effectively their standard series. They're made for the domestic market and they are available in all cool old fender colours. Someone has added the grounding strip to look like a 60's model? If you google ishibashi ubox, there are loads of them for sale usually. Don't think the squier thing is accurate. Looked at the headstock, it's just a Japanese made fender Jazz. Not a reissue. [/quote] What did I say? 🤔😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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