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New for 2008, the American Standard Precision Bass® V Shuker P5 copy .....

It's a fret short, the pickup's on upside down and there's no LED's but, goodness, if this had been available a few years ago (at US prices!) I'd probably not have my Shuker 5 string P ..
They have even used nice string trees like mine rather than that unsightly bar they use on the Jazz, and ... there's no extra J pickup to spoil things as on the earlier Fender P5

Just £600 in the US ...
Fender Shuker

[url="http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0190560700"]P5 on the Fender Website[/url]

[url="http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemPos=3&TempID=4&STRID=20449&Method=0&CategoryID=0&BrandID=0&PriceRangeID=0&PageNum=0&DepartmentID=0&pagesize=10&SortMethod=2&SearchPhrase=&Contains=&Search_Type=GROUP&GroupCode=2008%5FAmerican%5FStd%5FBass"]Sam Ash page Just $1200[/url]

[url="http://www.dv247.com/invt/48144/"]DV247 page - Just £1200[/url] :)

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[quote name='OldGit' post='134845' date='Feb 6 2008, 09:17 AM']the pickup's on upside down[/quote]

this has always made me wonder with 5 string P's, a lot of the ones i've seen are like yours 2 low, 3 high. but surely the logical way would be 3 low, 2 high. after all, it would be weird having a 4 string P with 1 low, 3 high..

so just wondering if there's a specific reason you went with your config?

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[quote name='wotnwhy' post='135173' date='Feb 6 2008, 05:17 PM']this has always made me wonder with 5 string P's, a lot of the ones i've seen are like yours 2 low, 3 high. but surely the logical way would be 3 low, 2 high. after all, it would be weird having a 4 string P with 1 low, 3 high..

so just wondering if there's a specific reason you went with your config?[/quote]
I don't recall any technical reason, it just looked right to me :)


at the time virtually every other 5 string p had two equal length pickup halves .. some blank like the EMG's but with a short pickup inside the cover and some with showing pole pieces where one had 6 and one had 4+blank space. That looked terrible
Some P5 even had Jazz pickups


Here's the Fender bloke selling the "great new features" of the P5 "people have been walking past all day saying 'at last'" yeah
Revolutionary ideas including light tuners (well der!) no tricks or actives (previous P5's had that) and a thin top coat (?)
Oh and an awesome new case :huh: ho ho
It's funny when corporations catch up.

[url="http://www.fender.com/blog/?p=32"]http://www.fender.com/blog/?p=32[/url]

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[quote name='OldGit' post='134863' date='Feb 6 2008, 10:12 AM']It's the extra 100% to buy it here that annoys me[/quote]

And no, Sam Ash won't ship one to Europe... i did ask :)
I suspect Fender would get dead annoyed if they started doing that sort of thing ...

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[quote name='wotnwhy' post='135199' date='Feb 6 2008, 05:57 PM']maby thats for the people who want it to 'relic' faster ;)[/quote]
Well I wondered about that
Wasn't there some problems with Highway 1's and that?
I really can't see how a few microns less coating can make the tone flow through better however I can see how it would keep Fender's production costs down ....

The guy in that Video "Mr marketing, Fender and Squire basses" seems to have forgotten the virtually identical Squier from 4 years ago .. that was passive, single PUP and almost identical. I know 'cos I had to explain the differences bwtween the £180 Squier and the Shuker, other than the number of zeros in the price :) Thank gawd for LEDs .... :huh:

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[quote name='chris_b' post='135214' date='Feb 6 2008, 06:17 PM']The Fender 5 string Jazz didn't get good reviews so I'm not holding my breath for this one and £1200 would buy you a far better 5 string Lakland, Shuker, Sadowsky Metro etc, etc![/quote]

Yup, almost .......
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the (now discontinued) Fender Deluxe precision 5 (the active 22 fret one with the bridge humbucker as well) had the P pickup halves the other way round-
as on the Shuker.

the Shuker way looks wrong to me, because on a 4 string P, the A string is sensed by the neck-ward half.
so the most precision-esque tone comes from the 3 section on the B E and A towards the neck, and the 2 on the D and G, towards the bridge.


ps. but when i pointed that out on Talkbass, P deluxe 5 owners said they hadn't noticed any tonal difference.

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[quote name='OldGit' post='134845' date='Feb 6 2008, 09:17 AM']New for 2008, the American Standard Precision Bass® V Shuker P5 copy .....

It's a fret short, the pickup's on upside down and there's no LED's but, goodness, if this had been available a few years ago (at US prices!) I'd probably not have my Shuker 5 string P ..
They have even used nice string trees like mine rather than that unsightly bar they use on the Jazz, and ... there's no extra J pickup to spoil things as on the earlier Fender P5

Just £600 in the US ...
Fender Shuker

[url="http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0190560700"]P5 on the Fender Website[/url]

[url="http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemPos=3&TempID=4&STRID=20449&Method=0&CategoryID=0&BrandID=0&PriceRangeID=0&PageNum=0&DepartmentID=0&pagesize=10&SortMethod=2&SearchPhrase=&Contains=&Search_Type=GROUP&GroupCode=2008%5FAmerican%5FStd%5FBass"]Sam Ash page Just $1200[/url]

[url="http://www.dv247.com/invt/48144/"]DV247 page - Just £1200[/url] :)[/quote]


To be fair to Fender, it looks to me like the Shuker design owes more than a little to the original fender designs of 40 years or so ago!, so no one could really complain at Fender borrowing a few ideas back!

Clive

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[quote name='SJA' post='135425' date='Feb 7 2008, 12:16 AM']the (now discontinued) Fender Deluxe precision 5 (the active 22 fret one with the bridge humbucker as well) had the P pickup halves the other way round-
as on the Shuker.

the Shuker way looks wrong to me, because on a 4 string P, the A string is sensed by the neck-ward half.
so the most precision-esque tone comes from the 3 section on the B E and A towards the neck, and the 2 on the D and G, towards the bridge.


ps. but when i pointed that out on Talkbass, P deluxe 5 owners said they hadn't noticed any tonal difference.[/quote]

I noticed a tonal difference :) Mine's much, much better than my old Fender P4 was ..

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[quote name='Clive Thorne' post='135427' date='Feb 7 2008, 12:20 AM']To be fair to Fender, it looks to me like the Shuker design owes more than a little to the original fender designs of 40 years or so ago!, so no one could really complain at Fender borrowing a few ideas back!

Clive[/quote]

And they say people don't "get" irony these days :)

My brief to Jon was "62p bass with 5 strings please.. oh, and can it sound like the JJ Burnel one you make and have a bunch of oher features" but the 62 p was the starting point.

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[quote name='chris_b' post='135214' date='Feb 6 2008, 06:17 PM']The Fender 5 string Jazz didn't get good reviews so I'm not holding my breath for this one and £1200 would buy you a far better 5 string Lakland, Shuker, Sadowsky Metro etc, etc![/quote]

According to Lakland they are doing a US 5 string Bob Glaub this year and if that's a hit they will look at doing a Skyline version. I'd guess that that (Skyline) would come in under £1200 looking at their prices. Lots of ifs and buts and waiting though.

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[quote name='OldGit' post='135430' date='Feb 7 2008, 12:23 AM']And they say people don't "get" irony these days :)

My brief to Jon was "62p bass with 5 strings please.. oh, and can it sound like the JJ Burnel one you make and have a bunch of oher features" but the 62 p was the starting point.[/quote]

Sorry OG, the irony was lost on me. I just assumed it was yet another person having a dig at Fender, which seems to be the thing to do these days.

Clive.

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[quote name='Clive Thorne' post='137050' date='Feb 9 2008, 12:01 PM']Sorry OG, the irony was lost on me. I just assumed it was yet another person having a dig at Fender, which seems to be the thing to do these days.

Clive.[/quote]

Ah sorry ..

It was me smiling an ironic smile holding my posh "improved Precison" and Fender finally realising that a 5 string P is a good idea (and I orginally got the idea from Mike Lull's P5 anyway when Bass Player reviewed his one in October 2005 .... )
[url="http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mike-lull-v5/oct-05/13784"]http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mike-lull-v5/oct-05/13784[/url]

So finally Fender realise that a straightforward Precision with a B string would sell .....

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