Ou7shined Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lettsguitars' post='1135029' date='Feb 21 2011, 04:44 AM']backtracking slightly, but those cracks. looks like it's been kept in a bad environment which has caused the wood to move. if the bass had been dropped there would be evidence of the impact, ie, a shatter somewhere. the fact that it stems from the neck pocket says it all. the damage is superficial if thats the case.[/quote] It's not made from wood though. It's Luthite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) [quote name='lettsguitars' post='1135029' date='Feb 21 2011, 04:44 AM']backtracking slightly, but those cracks. looks like it's been kept in a bad environment which has caused the wood to move. if the bass had been dropped there would be evidence of the impact, ie, a shatter somewhere. the fact that it stems from the neck pocket says it all. the damage is superficial if thats the case.[/quote] Except that as previously stated, the body is made out of luthite - a composite material which is supposed to mimic the tonal qualities of wood. There's not a lot of information available on-line on the structure of luthite (at least little that's understandable by a lay person) but my understanding is that is doesn't have the same directional strength as wood (I haven't seen any instruments made with luthite necks only bodies), so those cracks are completely in keeping with impact fractures. As I said before even if it was possible to pin the breaks there's no guarantee that another knock would cause fractures in the material in a completely different direction. Edit:Ou7shined beat me to it... Edited February 21, 2011 by BigRedX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettsguitars Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 err. i see. luthite eh? i guess you wouldn't get superman playing this then. or me for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lettsguitars' post='1135249' date='Feb 21 2011, 11:09 AM']err. i see. luthite eh? i guess you wouldn't get superman playing this then. or me for that matter.[/quote] Cheers Clark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lettsguitars' post='1135249' date='Feb 21 2011, 11:09 AM']err. i see. luthite eh? i guess you wouldn't get superman playing this then. or me for that matter.[/quote] It has no ill effects on Banannaman though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lettsguitars' post='1135249' date='Feb 21 2011, 11:09 AM']err. i see. luthite eh? i guess you wouldn't get superman playing this then. or me for that matter.[/quote] Have you played a luthite-bodied bass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 So I've taken my £250 5 string budget and bought a £600 MM Sterling 4 string, oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Like y' do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='1135448' date='Feb 21 2011, 01:39 PM']So I've taken my £250 5 string budget and bought a £600 MM Sterling 4 string, oops.[/quote] Another happy ending then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettsguitars Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='BigRedX' post='1135288' date='Feb 21 2011, 11:43 AM']Have you played a luthite-bodied bass?[/quote] no. and don't think i ever WOOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='EssentialTension' post='1135621' date='Feb 21 2011, 03:28 PM']Another happy ending then.[/quote] VERY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='1135635' date='Feb 21 2011, 03:36 PM']VERY [/quote] But Madame Mystery still sees a fiver in your future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='EssentialTension' post='1135642' date='Feb 21 2011, 03:41 PM']But Madame Mystery still sees a fiver in your future. [/quote] I still need one but it has to be CHEAP!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lettsguitars' post='1135634' date='Feb 21 2011, 03:35 PM']no. and don't think i ever WOOD. [/quote] That's kind of closed-minded especially from someone who makes instruments. I could understand the negativity if you'd played one and didn't like it - fair enough, not every design and construction of bass will suit everyone. Also I'm as opinionated as the next the person, but my opinions regarding instruments are backed up by my personal experiences of them. While I've not played a luthite-bodied Ibanez Ergodyne, I have played the Cort Curbow which has the same materials, and given the limitations of trying something out in the shop I was pretty impressed and would have bought one if there was a fretless 5-string version available. In fact the only thing putting me off have a punt on one of these is the potential of the luthite body for the kind of damage that this example has shown. Interestingly I've not seen similar issues with the Cort Curbow so it might be down to the actual shape of the body. The Curbow is much chunkier in its design. TBH on this particular bass it's the ergonomics of the shape that appeal to me most. I would prefer a wooden bodied one, but that means the much more expensive and rarer Ibanez Affirma or getting one custom built by [url="http://www.rolfspuler.com/gb/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=126"]Rolf Spuler[/url]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettsguitars Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='BigRedX' post='1135662' date='Feb 21 2011, 03:52 PM']That's kind of closed-minded especially from someone who makes instruments. I could understand the negativity if you'd played one and didn't like it - fair enough, not every design and construction of bass will suit everyone. Also I'm as opinionated as the next the person, but my opinions regarding instruments are backed up by my personal experiences of them. While I've not played a luthite-bodied Ibanez Ergodyne, I have played the Cort Curbow which has the same materials, and given the limitations of trying something out in the shop I was pretty impressed and would have bought one if there was a fretless 5-string version available. In fact the only thing putting me off have a punt on one of these is the potential of the luthite body for the kind of damage that this example has shown. Interestingly I've not seen similar issues with the Cort Curbow so it might be down to the actual shape of the body. The Curbow is much chunkier in its design. TBH on this particular bass it's the ergonomics of the shape that appeal to me most. I would prefer a wooden bodied one, but that means the much more expensive and rarer Ibanez Affirma or getting one custom built by [url="http://www.rolfspuler.com/gb/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=126"]Rolf Spuler[/url].[/quote] it is a bit. i'm just a snob. i have no issues with it really apart from, as you say, the damage here is a bit worrying. i don't get out much so i've never come across one myself. personally, anything with paint on that came out of a factory doesn't appeal to me at the best of times, so lex lutherite never stood a chance to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Get a used Yamaha RBX 375, great sounding bass and very cheap. Only problem is it is a 34"er... Does it realy have to be a MM-type 5er? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='1135766' date='Feb 21 2011, 04:57 PM']Get a used Yamaha RBX 375, great sounding bass and very cheap. Only problem is it is a 34"er... Does it realy have to be a MM-type 5er?[/quote] They look OK TBH after taking the plunge on the Sterling, my budget won't allow me to be picky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1133863' date='Feb 19 2011, 10:49 PM']You get them in olly white too. I tried one and was so impressed I nearly bought it.[/quote] MB1. Wheres Olly Whites? Edited February 21, 2011 by MB1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='MB1' post='1135808' date='Feb 21 2011, 05:17 PM']MB1. Wheres Olly Whites? [/quote] [url="http://en-gb.facebook.com/olly.white"]Here's[/url] his facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Or the serious answer -> [url="http://www.dv247.com/guitars/squier-deluxe-jazz-bass-v-active-5-string-bass-guitar-olympic-white-ebonol--38606"]linky[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Here's a good one, at first sight... : [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-RBX375-5-string-bass-guitar-/260741045666?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3cb5609da2"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-RBX375-5-stri...=item3cb5609da2[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='waynepunkdude' post='1135448' date='Feb 21 2011, 01:39 PM']So I've taken my £250 5 string budget and bought a £600 MM Sterling 4 string, oops.[/quote] Good work Wayne! you cant go wrong with an MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1135890' date='Feb 21 2011, 05:50 PM']Good work Wayne! you cant go wrong with an MM [/quote] Indeed, I've always wanted a Sterling and one at that price I wasn't going to miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 I just had a message from the seller "Hi Wayne, Just picked up your message. It's a shame but I understand where you're coming from. if we can meet up Saturday at Clacket Lane Services, then I can give you the refund back. If you could bring the quote with you it would also be great as it will need repairing at some point before it's get sold again. With Regards," Must say a lot of people are good when everything is OK but very few can be good when everything goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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