EBS_freak

If you are looking for a cheaper boundary mic, you could do worse than something like the Superlux E100. Should capture the lows and the detail of the surface nicely... without breaking the bank. Happy Jacks advice on the towel is good - folded tea towel, boundary mic on top, job done. With any mic, you'll be relying on a bit of EQ on the desk to get the most out of your setup.

To add to what mrtcat has already said... and going through each statement in turn - 1. "i can expect a non enjoyable bass sound in my in ear which could lead me to abandon using In ears in general" - Looking at IEMs in isolation at the moment, if you buy a set of IEMs that are not up to the job, you aren't going to get a good experience. As a comparison, if you went out and bought a 1x10 bass cab and then decided to roll with a heavy rock band, you are going to be thraping that box within an inch of it's life. It's likely going to be distorting, give you a very poor audio reproduction... and generally, not put a smile on your face. With IEMs, there's two crucial things... and as bass players, we are quite demanding of them. First up, headroom is of critical importance. If you want to hear a lot of bass, you need to get some IEMs that are capable of reproducing that, free from distortion, at a volume that is applicable for you. A lot won't - unless you start investing the money in the low end drivers. This is where things start to get expensive. As a rule of thumb, I tend to recommend a quad with two drivers in the lows - to give you the extra headroom that will make you happy. Obviously, if you can extended this to a quad, even better. You mentioned the UE6 - which is actually a piece that I am reallly enthusiastic about. It hasn't got dual drivers in the lows... but it has dynamic drivers instead of balanced armatures. Dynamic drivers are what you would find in most headphones that I am guessing you would be familiar with. They aren't as detailed as balanced armatures (that are usually found in custom IEMs) - but they do produce more lows and typically have more headroom when comparing 1 BA to 1 dynamic. So whats the difference? Well, you generally end up with a warmer timbre with dynamic drivers and naturally more bass, with more headroom. The UE6 has two dynamics with a single BA to cover off the highs... which is lovely. Having heard the piece, I'm really, really impressed. It hits hard down in the lows... which alot of IEMs won't do until you spend over 1k. So that's headroom and bass covered off, the next comment is about EQ. A lot of desks will lead to you pushing out a mix to an aux, or pair of linked auxes for stereo. A dry bass sound can sound not particularly great through IEMs because where you are tapping off the feed is pre the EQ that would be naturally added by your speaker cab. Even micing up your bass cab can sound not great in your ears because you won't necessary capture the lows that you are looking for unless you are using a combination of mics... plus, being an IEM convert, you want to be looking at taking your big rig out the equation anyway. If you think about it, if you are running your bass through a PA with subs, if you EQed for you inears, you'd be slaying the audience with the amount of lows coming out of the subs that are FOH. 2. "The guy told me, it would be almost a "must", to EQ my bass sound that is coming ONLY to In ear monitors." For some people, not having the bass EQed in their ears isn't a deal breaker - they'd still take a dry aux and not have all that feeling of deep bass in their ears - because they'd rather just hear their bass clean and at a volume that isn't going to deafen them. Obviously, if you can do better than this, why wouldn't you? For typical aux setups, you send your mix prefader to your aux, so you get what generally comes into that pre - and depending upon your desk, can send pre/post EQ (remember, in other words, this means, the EQ as it is, or sharing the EQ that you have with front of house) and/or pre/post DSP (for things like compression). As far as the output on that aux goes, you then have a compressor and a global EQ... but this can also be limiting. For example, if you start boosting the lows on the EQ, you are also going to be boosting the kick and keys players left hand... which isn't always ideal). Options? Well, you can split you signal into two channels on the desk, as suggested above... or digitally split it on the mixer. If you split the signal in an analogue style before the mixer, you can put an EQ in line to change your EQ to suit your inears. One would go to FOH, and the other goes to your monitor mix only. With a digital mixer, you can achieve the same in the box. With the X32, you also have the option of using Ultranet and using the now pretty cheap P16M... https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-Powerplay-P16-M-Personal-Mixer/IU1 - that you can assign 16 channels to for your personal mix. This enables you to mix (e.g. EQ, Pan) your own inears and put your own custom EQs on the 16 channels you decide to send to your ears. This may be your easiest option if you aren't able to get the control you want over the desk to achieve what you want. All this routing can get pretty complex if you decided to get into custom routing for inears mixes off one desk etc. That's why you tend to run two mixers - a foh and dedicated monitor mixer... that way you can run completely independent DSP and processing for FOH and Monitors. 3. "But i am searching for a way to manipulate the sound on "my side of a chain" - so that i just can send it to mix and eq the "in ear" side only for me." As suggested above, you can EQ the whole of the aux output - so no need to have any separate EQ on that front. Basically, you need to have the bass sounding like you want before it leaves the mixer - the only exception if you are using an outboard mixer like the Ultranet P16M or Aviom systems etc. Sorry if the above is a bit garbled - I just did a bit of a brain dump

I wouldn't be putting bass through that Laney cab...

Never tried it - but this kinda looks like ambient on a budget... https://www.olenstechnology.com/product/fuser-music-ambient-sound-mixer-2/

Looks like Sennheiser is now gunning after Shure in the IEM market. So single dynamic in a Shure like casing? That'd be the 215 competitor then. I'm guessing the 400 and 500 pro will be mapping nicely to the Shure range. Looking at the Bax prices - £115 for the 215 competitor... EDIT : https://en-uk.sennheiser.com/ie40pro Looks like street price could undercut the Shures...

Anybody here with a Strymon deco? More interested in the saturation element of it really... tell me about it...

Outrageous behaviour.

Apologies - yes, it was the M32 that B apparently said had the ability to support 96khz... but that hasn't materialised... yet.

The X32 was built to be ready for 96kHz...

Oh hello... https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-Powerplay-P16-M-Personal-Mixer/IU1

Err... a bazillion. Depends if you are going to make use of the features though. (Much more comprehensive and feature rich DSP than the XR18 - and of course, the expansion cards). It means that the average band is going to be able to run stereo inears for everybody, there's the options of the snakes - which now seem to be dirt cheap also. If you are sitting on the fence as to whether you should change, what I would do is keep the XR18 as a backup and invest in the X32 for sure. The extra IO alone is worth it. Thats a crazy amount of mixer for the money.

DOnt know whats happening in Behringer world... But this may be a good time to get on the digital mixer bus (no pun intended) at a more affordable price... https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-X-AIR-XR18-Digital-Mixer/18DJ https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-X32-RACK-Digital-Mixing-Console/PNO

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-X-AIR-XR18-Digital-Mixer/18DJ https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-X32-RACK-Digital-Mixing-Console/PNO So does this mean there is something new in the pipeline...?

Isn't it all Primark now?

If you ever wonder who chooses to wear a similar fit shirt to Al Murray, the pub landlord, now you know.

This guy...?

Good point - the adjustable bass feature on the higher JH models is a strong point for some.

So what you are looking at is basically a quad with balanced armatures - as soon as you get a dual BA in the bass, you are into the realms of bass players as that dual low is where you need the most headroom to avoid distortion. To be honest, if you are looking at UE, the main competition is going to be 64 and JH Audio... and all of their quads are really good but all of them have a slightly different sound signature. If you do an A/B/C test of say a UE11 vs a JH11 vs a A4t (all around the 1k mark, with JH being the cheapest quad at 800 (note : that is not indicative of it's performance, it can easily sit on a level playing field with the A4t and UE), you're bound to favour one of the tunings over the other... and that's the one you should go for. At that price point and with those manufacturers, there's not really a better, just different. If you were to buy blind without listening to any of them, you will be happy with any of them. If you want to be more critical in your selection, you really need to listen to them side by side. The only other significant difference is that the 64s have the apex filter - which some people hate the look of immediately and will discount 64 for that reason alone. Some people actually think the apex filter is a strong selling point as it can help alleviate ear fatigue. That may be enough to sway you to 64. Others think that the apex filter is just snake oil. In short, you need to audition them all.

Ah - they'll come in no time at all. When Roxannes first came out, it was like a crazy 6 month wait time! There was a lot of frustrated people - me included! I think given the advances in manufacturing and their expanded operations, they are currently hitting around a couple of weeks... which is pretty incredible. When JH first emerged, it was running 6-8 weeks turn around on acrylic (e.g. non CF - which caused them an absolute nightmare) models. Just shows eh? I know there's the Drum Show at the end of the month - don't know whats happening this weekend in IEM world otherwise. All I know is, I'm hoping to spend it on my backside as I haven't had a weekend off in ages. You're going to love the Roxannes, they are a very cool piece... certainly one of my favourites - and you certainly aren't going to have any bass, distortion or headroom issues with them. You'll go deaf way, way before they run out of steam! 😛 Looking forward to hearing your views on your new arrivals. Always keen to hear how people are getting on with their new purchases. Talking of which, really looking forward to @intime-nick's post gig update with his new Lugs, which look to be pretty special too.

@andysg42 - your JHs can't be too far away? End of next week maybe?

So, my mate took delivery of his A12ts this morning after our trip of testing out IEMs (remember - the guy who was set on the JH Laylas, his current IEMs are ACS triples (T1s)). My phones has been hot this morning with messages of him being elated with the purchase. "OH MY GOD" "Sounds so wide - its actually quite disconcerting - it's HUGE" "Bass blew my c**k off" "So this is how IEMs are meant to fit!" "Fallen in love with music again good" "The fit is incredible" "These are so good I genuinely feel sad that most people will never know them" And because we all like photos... I also think they look amazing in all clear - given everything that is going on inside of them! What a great time to be living - IEMs have never been so good. ZS10s through to UE, JH, and 64... some incredible stuff out there. And yes, I'm still distracted by those UE6s - I suspect that's what I'll be recommending to people at the Drum Show when they inevitably ask.

I was going to suggest a M32 Core (as X32 Core seems to be discontinued) and a SD16/S16 or both - so you can have a nice stage box dropped on stage for I/O, and a rack unit if you want some extra I/O off the stage. The XR18 could be replaced by by a SD16 and just a 1u rack unit as a small alternative (don't know if you are looking at keeping your XR18 or not). If you then get serious about PA, you can add a Compact/Producer for sliders and then you use AES to connect between the mixers for a FOH/Monitoring setup. Or you could do the whole lot in reverse - get the producer/compact - and add a M32 Core later.

Another vote for the Neotech one.