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As for the mess around tunings... I'd only go so far for a make-do singer. If they are going to be a waste of time, then I'll do enough to find out they are a waste of time. and no more esp if it meant a re set-up of the bass. If they are going to be worth it then you have to make sure you keep them...but you can mostly tell in a few minutes how much further chance you are going to give them.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1358516568' post='1940634'] It all depends [/quote] Kinda.......I'll want more money.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1358440543' post='1939233'] The singer is the star, you have to do what's right for the singer. ................ [/quote] But they can take a hike if they come across like that...

I'd say 250w was low for a 115, but that may be a good thing as it could be conservative. I am not a fan of pushing cabs and then backing off... but you should have just enough in hand with 450 in 4 with 500w rated cabs. How well they respond to 'abuse' you will have to gauge carefully under good hearing conditions and then let that be your 'level' I am advocating caution and maybe well be OTT here...but until you know..you don't know..? As for the amp.. agree, cheaply built but may be ok. There is plenty of the stuff around and they appear to share components with other kit that gets less of a bad rap...

I'd agree that 2 good 2x112's will cover a very loud gig or stage. I use 2x112 and 550w on an 8x4m stage...and would probably be getting into the relams of the 2x210's if the FOH was good. This would mean the monitors would be full range and the stage sound would be loud and bollicking..which is how we want to play these gigs. It depends on what your gigs are... You probably find most people who do a variety of gigs have a variety of rig options and know what works where. This is why the modular rig is useful ..as you can up or downscale to fit, more easily. For a very good sound, I'd say 2 cabs should be the goal and make them manageable and modular as most of us have to move them as well.

ha ha why would you say that?

Forget the tuning nonsense for the audition.... only go to that hassle if the singer is going to stay...and it is\working

I was guess the GS210 is around 55lbs. That is not heavy in my book. The GS212 should possibly be on casters so that might negate 60 plus lbs to a degree. Not as much as the 410 and 115 you were contemplating, I'd bet.. I would say those GS cabs are a lot or power for your money. That is a proper stage rig and providing you like the sound, would be ALL you need in 99.9% of cases..or else you have some great gigs in your diary. But you might like GB better..

I agree with Chris, I have used GS112's and they can be huge down below and the 210's should make up the higher end. I would be expecting a very full sounding rig with this config ..smaller than a 410/115 type set-up but you will lack for sound. Deffo worth listening to, IMO.. Aguilar are making VG cabs atm and whilst the GS112 is scooped too much for me most of the time, the 210 should deal with that... New strings and 2xGS112 are still a memorable rig for me....

But only if you know that .. and the engr will be able to put 4 mixes into the monitors....and has decent enough monuitors etc. I think you would be quite amiss just to assume this on quite a few gigs. My first call is to the P.A company asking exactly this. If you are doing gigs with tight cost controls, then spec at the lower level becoems an issue..as does 1 or 2 engrs. And if these gigs are non payers, then the the costs are probably even tigher..?? so you can get cheaper kit, cheaper guys..?? etc etc

Fender J and SWR. Marcus knows...

I've lost track of what you are after. Best bang for buck cabs are older Eden's IMO.. if you can handle the weight. 2x210 XLT's...??? Job done Or that DB410 for £300 -ish..?? Eden for more modern, DB for more vintage vibe.

[quote name='neptunehealer' timestamp='1358347664' post='1937442'] Cool i'm excited now. My main concern now is will the 300w 2x10 cab still sound good with 275w going to it, or do i need more headroom to avoid damage and farting? [/quote] Difficult to say.... the cheaper cabs and units are cheap for a reason..so they may not handle high volume that well. By the same token they might do fine...you will have to hear them. If it were me, I'd want more capacity in a cab than that... but then are you putting 275 into a cab? You'll only know yourself, when you put all your kit together and wind it up. The reason that I would have half as much cab power again, than amp power, is that you may not always hear any break up...effects can mask this also.. Sure, that gig will be LOUD, but that happens as well when you lose control. It is always a bit fraught running new kit loud and you get to hear the limits...then you have to stick to that. For me, I don't see the point of trying to get away with running your kit close... if there is a chance of breaking. Headroom... It is nice to have power in hand and not drive things too hard and the sound running away

SH, no question, IMO

[quote name='neptunehealer' timestamp='1358344664' post='1937343'] Another thing, i can never hear any slap i do in the mix, it always thins out and goes very quiet. Does the blame lie with my 4x10 Laney cab? [/quote] Quite possibly.. Some cabs speak well at certain frequencies and die at others. This is not a balanced cab IMO. Berg, for example, are typically well balanced and so should modern cabs be in general as slap and higher end for bass is not a NEW thing now. I'd favour 'faster' 10"s than 15" typically, for this reason...and then you get into the realsm of horns...just a bleed can be enough. Mine really bites and I don't have to play harder to get it to come through... so that might also be how the bass is set up. I have had crap slap sounds in terms of volume, but that was also probably through a crap rig....rig being too kind a word.

The last horrible barn (7000 plus people ) we did had a cobbled together P.A run by someone who did not have a clue so we had to rely on getting our backline outfront, the vox up as loud as poss and the drums overspilling into the mics. Now, no one would advise this..and we were seething at the stitch-up/incompetance, tbh, but we managed to do ok DESPITE the handicaps. We were told it was a memorable gig and the sound was good ( I interpreted that as 'good' enough ) but the good thing was that we didn't have to reach the back of the barn.. which is just as well. All those that wanted to hear got as close to the stage as they could. I had a hard running 550w that night and I needed a lot of it.. thru 2x210's. The idiot engr did not want the bass thru his bins.. That is as much your problem as anything else so that is why I always take care of me and carry what I THINK we need. If I can run quieter with less, then BONUS. But I do know what my gear will put out and in what size area they will work.. I have made a point of it.

You only need enough volume for the stage....unless you are only running through a vocal P.A at which point all bets are off and it is a lottery outside, IMO I have a good idea of what kit to take into what room and what works best. Of course, most stuff can work in a fashion in quite a variety of rooms/stages but I don't want to be just getting volume here. The reason for this flexibilty is dependant on how well you know the stage and P.A spec, ie how good are the monitors and mixes etc

My 550w amp is about 12-ish on the gain and 1 for a loud gig. The enhance and timbres makes a MASSIVE difference but use between 9 and 3 IF I have to have a little twiddle. I play very quiet off the bass though but I don't care as long as the amp is loud enough...and it always is. I don't need 750watts upto now, but I have the amp for it anyway. It isn't the volume..it is the TONE. Some amps do strange things when pushing them and you should know and like the sound of it at the volume you want to use it.

As long as you are happy with what you did it may just be that they gelled with the other guy. I wouldn't take it personally. I lose some gigs to a few guys and when I see them on a gig I know I could cover it, but they choose who they prefer..and they have their reasons. Wouldn't beat yourself up about it....

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1358261405' post='1935798'] I think you're over analysing this. It's understandable, you want to get the best sound for your money, but, be honest, anything will be an improvement on your Laney (sorry!). You really won't need another cab with a DB410. It's that good. They are a little heavy but their tone and volume is right up there with the best of the best. I don't know about working with your amp, I expect that it would. I've owned 2 Markbass amps and they worked well with every cab I bought, but at this price you could buy this cab and a new Aguilar TH500, really blow your band away, and still be in budget. But, as I said in your other thread, the Genz Focus range would probably suit you as well. You need to test some gear. [/quote] Have to go with this... I use 2xDB210's and they are great units. I would fully expect the Markbass amp to work very well with this DB410.... I don't think you will run out of limits on the cab. Your next change will be your amp, IMO...but then you get into the realms of really fine tuning your sound....but there is a pretty decent chance you wont want or need to. The only time you will want to add another cab is for BIG stages but then you should also be in the realms of mon mixes and side fills..... or you are looking at a real step up in amp..and one that runs to 2 ohms. Sooner or later, you'll go Db750/751 but you need the gigs for it...it is just to much for a lot of gigs and your drummer will not thank you for it. If there is a DB410 in VGC nick for around £300, bite their hand off... if you don't mind lugging 410's..which you obviously don't. DB series are worth a listen, IMO.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1358257929' post='1935685'] Someone did name the shop, although it wasnt Gareth and Gareth didnt respond to the post so he has never mentioned the name of the shop, nor was he going to. It just seemed to be someone jumping in and showing us how cleaver he was at adding 1 plus 1 plus 1 and coming up with 3. [/quote] yes...doesn't hellp delicate negotiations if you are trying to get a settlement..

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1358253794' post='1935574'] Some facts, some opinion, some argument, a small potential for being regarded as libellous... sounds like a lot of the threads on here! What I am uneasy with is the idea of the OP getting sick of a thread and asking mods to hide/remove it. Thin end of the wedge and all that. [/quote] Can see both sides, difficult call. If the post was 'dangerous' to someone/something, then I can see why it was pulled, but agree about other motives. But if someone was close to naming a shop...for example, then how unthinking was that..?? putting it politely I am guessing here as I did not see the thread...well, It was about a Bongo... Sorry G...!!!!

Markbass and GK..??? not sure on that, tbh...but GK and GK will do ok..even if the sound is not for me. 500w will work into a 210 and 115 and be a good match up, IMO. this should also be a decent carry and relatively compact onstage. 410 and 115 or 410/410 is a stage rig and looks mental/stupid in a pub, IMO. I favour 2x210's and they stack about a 1mtr high. and the thing with the 2 cab idea I have mentioned is that the modular approach can work. If you are a LOUD band and play decent sized stages, then a 610 is a great idea, IMV... but it could be a pain to lug EVERYwhere.