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[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1383833764' post='2269748'] Ironically this was just the sort of thing Jaco allegedly liberated bass players from. [/quote] In that case, can I too have my shackles back?

[quote name='keeponehandloose' timestamp='1383838294' post='2269828'] apply the ruling to the key F# , and you have an E# in the scale [/quote] Yes - F# G# A# B C# D# E# F# - that's correct

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383778388' post='2269156'] ... The thing I always, without fail, find odd about discussions over expensive objects is that people so often deride others just because they've lashed out on something that may not have an intrinsically greater value than a far cheaper item. If it makes them happier then where's the harm? [/quote] There is no harm. If you want an old Fender and have the money then buy one. I certainly would if I had the money to spare.

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1383777451' post='2269137'] Nah, he's busy doing math [/quote] Damn!

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1383777358' post='2269135'] Damn! [/quote] Actually, I don't mind if Jack helped.

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1383777154' post='2269131'] Thanks Dave, very kind Do you want to know 51 facts about it? [/quote] Only if you wrote them all yourself.

I completely missed this before but caught up now and snagged it. Very good.

Junior Brown - Highway Patrol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M

Ernest Tubb - Driving Nails In My Coffin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnEMOQTh27s

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383688974' post='2267814'] [media]http://youtu.be/mQZmCJUSC6g[/media] [/quote] I enjoyed that a lot. Great song, great performance.

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1383774164' post='2269069'] ... IMO there's nothing an old bass can do that a new one, with some attention to detail, can't do. [/quote] That's my feeling too. And anyway, the likes of T Bone Wolk and the Mars Volta guy whose name I can't remember are going to sound good enough whatever they play.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383691828' post='2267884'] They might have a problem, not least because the, rather wonderful, T-Bone Wolk is dead For those of you who have never heard of him (and have probably already decided they wouldn't like him anyway) he's another of those strange professional musician people with a string of hits to his name and he's credited on over 600 albums [/quote] I'm familiar with Wolk but I didn't know he was dead.

Every key has one each of A B C D E F G with sharps and flats added as appropriate. For example, C major has C D E F G A B with no flats or sharps. E major has E F# G# A B C# D# E - and thats the way to write it - there needs to be an A natural so there can't also be an Ab, and there needs to be a G but it is in fact a G#.

I love the Louvin Brothers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg7plwsh1y4

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383688974' post='2267814'] [media]http://youtu.be/mQZmCJUSC6g[/media] [/quote] Oh dear.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383686699' post='2267775'] OK people, I'm now bored with this. If you genuinely believe an instrument will not change in the way it sounds (for better or worse) after being played for 50 years then I'm not going to convince you... [/quote] I'm bored too because I have not argued that an instrument cannot or even does not change in sound over time but you appear to think that I have claimed exactly that.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383681879' post='2267687'] I don't understand? Are you saying a part time non-professional musician will have the same degree of authority as an acknowledged expert in his field with vast experience? [/quote] No, I'm saying that authority alone can guarantee nothing. [quote name='molan' timestamp='1383681879' post='2267687'] Just to add to his 'authority' this is a guy that people turn to when looking for help and information about 'tone'. It's not like he's just a random player who happens to get featured because he's in a famous band. [/quote] I really have no grasp whatsoever of the meaning of the phrase "help and information about 'tone'". Does 'tone' in inverted commas mean something different to tone not in inverted commas? To me he is a totally random player. I don't need him to tell me about tone or 'tone' and I probably wouldn't even like his tone. [quote name='molan' timestamp='1383681879' post='2267687'] He gets featured on magazine covers, clinics and live events because he's a pretty knowledgeable guy. In fact the last time I saw him at an event I spotted Bootsy Collins, Verdine White, Vic Wooten, Steve Bailey, Brian Bromberg, Divinity Roxx, Anthony Wellington and Jonathan Herrera all watching him. [/quote] So what? Lots of people look up to the Pope or to David Cameron it doesn't make them right. And many people have been on the cover of BassPlayer but they can't all be right. By the way, there are four people in that list I've not knowing heard of and two I would not intentionally listen to.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383679600' post='2267636'] And where is the evidence, other than one person's opinion, that something made 50 years ago sounds identical today? [/quote] The evidence is at least extremely thin and very possibly non-existent. Can you produce any evidence for your claim? You haven't so far, merely claims to authority that beg the question. [quote name='molan' timestamp='1383679600' post='2267636'] I've yet to see even a single authoritative source? [/quote] There is no authoritative source. Your so-called authoritative sources beg the question.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383679406' post='2267634'] No, but it probably gives you slightly more authority than a part time player in a pub band? [/quote] No, because it is the very claim to authority which is in question.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383659620' post='2267175'] [/quote] Appearing on the cover of a magazine doesn't make you correct.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1383673510' post='2267499'] ... There are simply too many highly respected musicians and luthiers who've attested to this for it to be incorrect ... [/quote] You really ought to collect some proper evidence for your claim rather than relying on the supposed authority of others. It sounds like a medieval and non-scientific plea to the knowledge of highly respected priests and scholars. It must be true because they say so. I don't think that's good enough.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1383604659' post='2266607'] [url="http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/h4ppyjack/media/Other%20music%20related/Selmer%20Catalogue%201963/scan0011-1.jpg.html"][/url] [/quote] 48 gns equals £50.40 in new money. What year was that Jack? My first bass was a second hand Hofner Artist for £30 in 1972, I think.

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1383592183' post='2266367'] Yes Snow Hill - how much did the P bass set you back? [/quote] I can't quite remember for sure but I think it was 1975 and I think it was nearer £300 than £200 but it is a bit vague.