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Like a few members of this forum I am also a member of GearSlutz, however that place is even more of a bunfight than here, so I was hoping to get your thoughts on the matter before I throw myself to the know-it-all sharks there. After a couple of years out of the loop, I'm endeavouring to build myself a new PC. The computer will be musically dedicated, used mainly as a DAW (Reaper) with the occasional free plug in effect applied, and integrated via ADAT with the Yamaha 02R I picked up second hand a couple of weeks ago, (it's got 2 ADAT cards and a TC Unity card already fitted). I was intending to use a RME RayDat PCI-e soundcard but I'm open to other suggestions. To give you an idea about how long it's been since I last build a PC, it had an AMD Duron processor. I never used it for musical purposes, just to play games and look at naked women on the internet, but got fed up of the constant spiral of upgrades, so bought the laptop I'm using now, (lasted me for 5 years or so and still going strong), and an XBOX or three. I'm looking for advice on a good place to buy components online and indeed good recommendations for bang for buck hardware. Cost v Service wise, well everybody likes bargains, but I will gladly pay a little more for an existent after sales service. On the shopping list is:[list=1] [*]An Intel Processor. I don't know how many cores I want or need and this obviously combines with... [*]A motherboard with PCI-e and RAID. Anyone suggest a good model for audio use? [*]32GB DDR3 RAM minimum [*]HDD's, (not SSD's still not convinced on reliability versus cost) [*]Graphics card to run two monitors [*]Two monitors [/list] The other sundries are coming second hand via eBay or a quiet pc specialist company. Can somebody give their suggestions of what to buy and where? Thanks. Oh, and a non-shonky disc of Win7 64bit.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1360541347' post='1972198'] At no point did you specify you were meaning solely on basschat. Your original post says "buying basses cheaply and flipping them". Is buying stuff cheap on eBay and selling it for its real value here ok? [/quote] I refer you to the title of this thread. [quote name='tedmanzie' timestamp='1360588328' post='1972754'] what i do object to is this notion that as a non-trader bass player, buying and selling a few basses per year, you are [i]morally obliged[/i] to sell it for the [i]same[/i] price you bought it, and now this is even being suggested by the mods?! [/quote] I asked whether you thought flipping on BC was OK or not and you've been morally obliged you to do nothing.

Seems some of the replies to my hypothetical question can be grouped roughly as: 1) those who frown upon flipping, 2) those who frown but don't really care, 3) those who don't care about flipping and 4) those who are just annoyed that I dare bring up the subject.

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1360535536' post='1972075'] I believe BC is a community and a great information resource on all aspects of bass playing. When I buy and sell I deliberately do not make a profit. In fact I have an embarrassing nine pages of feedback and have not knowingly profited from a single one of those deals. Maybe I am an idealistic mug but I believe in karma and would like to think I am treated well by other BC'ers as a consequence. I do not like seeing flipping on BC but there's 'eff all I can do it about it. DIfferent strokes for different folks. Everyone lives by their own moral compass and we have to accept this, in my view. No point setting rules about this on BC like minimum holding/re-selling periods. [/quote] Clarky, if you wanted to buy something of mine I would sort you out an old school 'basschat' price. Not try and screw you for every last penny like some other forum members would appear to gladly admit to. *disclaimer* - I have nothing you want!

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1360526871' post='1971869'] For me it works largely like this: I won`t pay any more for an item than I think it`s worth If I sell it on, it will be at the price I bought it at. If I`ve spent a fair bit on the item, I`ll try to recoup some of that by upping the price accordingly.[/quote] That's what I would do as well. Not so long ago, I remember a forum member snapping up a CS Fender Jazz for a great price, which he then proceeded to sell a few days later at a figure he thought was nearer market value. The general vocal opinion, at the time on the thread, was that he was taking the piss out of his fellow forum members and that if he wanted to flip it, he could at least have the decency to do it on ebay or somewhere else. I thought it was a credit to the forum that he was called out about it at the time. I was just wondering if that attitude has gone by the wayside?

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1360526391' post='1971851'] So, let me see if I get this straight. I buy a bass on ebay, for a steal---the seller doesn't know what they've got, bad pictures, silly auction times, local collection only, whatever. Two weeks later I get made redundant. In that situation I should turn round to my wife and say "yes dear, I know we have to pay the mortgage and feed our child, and that that bass is worth £400 more than I paid for it any day of the week, but I can't sell it for its true market value because that wouldn't be cool" . Right you are. [/quote] Nope, I'm not talking about ebay. Never mentioned it. I'm talking about Basschat only, buying and selling within the community. How much community is left?

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360511154' post='1971452'] It's your opinion; it's fair enough. Personally I think there's something callous about a member of this forum buying a bass on here cheap with the sole intent of selling it on at profit to someone who could have had it at the price the profiteering member did. As I just said, I was under the impression that that scenario is what the OP is talking about. It's not in what I took to be "the spirit" of this place, so I may - or may not - have had my eyes opened to the motives of some users on here. "Users" possibly being the operative word. [/quote] You are correct, that was the scenario I was referring to. I didn't reaise this had been done to death at all and I wanted to gauge some of the obviously differing opinions to mine.... capitalist pigdogs!

I only have one bass. I've tried buying others to usurp it but I always end up playing my jazz ,(with the same setting... in series pups with the tone rolled back a little). I'm a basstone monogamist.

I personally am not proposing any change of the rules or policing of the marketplace. I just wonder if my moral compass needs recalibrating when it comes to the BC marketplace... and thanks for the condescending flowchart.

...as in selling them quickly for profit. This issue arose on another thread a couple of weeks ago. A fellow forumite mentioned their dismay at someone buying basses cheaply and quickly turning them around for the BC marketplace at an inflated price. A few members chirped up and said 'this is the way of life', 'good luck to them' and then a few more, (me included), were surprised by this and mentioned that, whilst in no way against the rules, flipping basses on BC was poor etiquette and had previously been frowned upon by the community. So which is it these days? I'll set my stall out first and say I think flipping basses should not be encouraged. I'm very pleased that some members have disposable income and can snap up a bargain when they see one, but when they give it a spit 'n' polish and a new set of strings, then put it back in the marketplace for a few hundred quid more, well that leaves a bad taste. One of the reasons I've always been happy to buy and sell here is the sense of dealing with likeminded individuals, not used car salesmen. Or am I being too wishy washy? Is it a dog eat dog, free for all now? Has the will of the forum changed?

Sounds like half a weak joke and half a medical procedure. I voted hate it.

The 80's Ibanez Roadster thingy I had for the years when I wasn't interested or playing often, which I despised. Don't know what came first, the apathy or this godawful instrument. Failing that the first bass I owned which was an Avon Rose Morris EB0 copy... just cheap and nasty.

I remember when blatant profiteering was frowned upon on this forum, and it wasn't so long ago. [i]Blatant[/i] being the operative word. We used to be looking out for each other and flippers would be given short shrift. Are we not doing that anymore? More's the pity. Back OT, I hope this problem gets resolved asap.

Q. How many musicians does it take to change a lightbulb? A. Ten. One to change the bulb and nine to stand around and mutter, "I could have done it better than that".

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... two successful bands.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1358324990' post='1936860'] But when they got it right... [/quote] I liked that very much. Thanks for sharing.

'Rock of Ages' puts me in mind of the lively discussions to be had when The Darkness arrived in the public consciousness. I was always of the opinion that people who used to voraciously slate them were having a temporary humour bypass and embarrassing themselves a little with their high brow opinions about three chord pop.

Too embarassed to spam my virtual chums with a bass[s]nerd[/s]chat facebook page... not even for a keyring.

I've just received the Newtown spam but, tbh since Monster.com got hacked a few years ago, I've faced a never ending stream of it.

Careful getting down with dem kidz, it's not the 1970's yknow.

I'd say keep the old marketplace because that's what drives the whole forum. Yes you do get the odd one post wonders but I'm willing to wager alot of regular forum users came here just to buy or sell a bass, and then stuck around when they realised there's a helpful community here. 1) Charge a small fee per listing, not annual subs because that will scare the casual user away. I dare say if you do introduce a larger annual sub then some bright spark will open another site without one to fill the gap in the market you've created. 2) Introduce mandatory price and location fields when creating a thread. That's a no brainer. 3) Introduce the 36hr bump button, but no so rigid as to be unable to update your thread before 36 hours are up. That way we can keep the discussion in the sales threads, the sense of community and self policing and keep the chat about bass flowing.

Am I not seeing a button, or can you not distinguish between which classified adverts you've already viewed and which ones you haven't?