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Like anything it varies between bloody awful and absolutely brilliant.

Come as you are - Nirvana

Beat it - MJ

Basically stoner metal is ripped off Black Sabbath riffs tuned down to C or lower with a heap of dirt on bass and guitars and lyrics about either weed, demons or witches/wizards. Songs usually turn in to a jam towards the end. Check out Kyuss for an example. For doom, tune lower and add more dirt, maybe slow down to 120bpm and add the word bong/wizard/funeral to the band name. Beards are almost essential as is black clothing. Everywhere you go there should be a fog of cannabis smoke. Check out Electric Wizard for an example. For sludge metal tunings can be higher, up to drop D. Basically just play early thrash slowed right down with vocals kind of slurred/growled. Check out Eyehategod for an example. Then you've got yer sub genres, funeral doom, blackened doom, drone doom, death doom etc, etc

It's a bit of a blurred line. I think some of the late 80's Black Flag was almost grunge and some of the very early Mudhoney and Nirvana were punk. I've always considered Bleach by Nirvana to be a punk record.

They certainly do. Funeralopolis is my usual warm up when I picked up a 5 string. I think most of Om's stuff is in B standard as well, State of non return definitely is.

Sorry, I meant Maxwell Murders by Rancid, not Journey to the end of East Bay.

Anne's Song - Faith No More

If you fancy something compltely different, try some Rancid. Journey to the end of East Bay. Matt Freeman takes a lot of influence from rockabilly walking bass lines. Goldfinger and Mighty Mighty Bosstones are also well worth checking out.

Hurry up Gary - Sham 69

Going blind - Melvins

Diamond Eyes - Deftones

Asphyxiation - Sons Of Apollo

F**k off and die - Darkthrone Too much?

Baby got back - Sir Mix A Lot

I got a bit confused here. This should have gone I the grunge discussion, not here.

As we're many terrible bands. I'll draw your attention to Trapt, Creed, Nickelback and Counting Crows.

Invisible man - Queen

Notes you'll hear through a doom mix, interesting tonal complexities will get lost.

No. There were quite a few still on their books from before grunge. Sonic Youth is one that comes to mind.

I remember there was one British grunge band, Bush. They were a bunch of rich kids funded by their parents and bloody awful.

There are some Grunge records that still sound fresh. Badmotorfinger by Soundgarden, Vurses by Pearl Jam and Inhaler by Tad. The one I couldn't work out is were Dinosaur Jr grunge?

Even if they do sound interesting and complex, would you hear it through your overdrive/fuzz and two heavily distorted guitars and a loud drummer? The last rhythm guitarist I played with took two strings off his guitar and tuned the remaining four to A# F A# F so he could bar across all four strings to get octave power chords. He even managed to play decent solos with it. I had more strings on my bass than he had on his guitar but I only used my G string for one note in one song, I'd have been better off with a well set up, tuned down 4 string but I did like my Stingray Ray35

Very, very true. Lemmy didn't do groove, that would have required some subtly. Lemmy had all the subtly of a nuclear bomb.

Al Cisneros occasionally uses a 5 string but he mostly uses low tuned fours. You'd never use the G string on a five so why have it there? Also, lots of open string drones and pull offs from high up the neck to open so it's really difficult to play most stuff without having the right tuning.