knirirr

This is something which occurred to me recently and which may well not be novel or clever, but I found it useful to think about. At jazz jams we try to run them so that the material played is fairly standard, as we'd like to encourage new players to get up and have a go. Nevertheless, anything could be played if someone brings a chart for the rhythm section and, if necessary, lead sheets for horns. Despite this we do get people who do some or all of: - Don't have charts or the ones they have aren't much use (see below). - Can't explain the form or changes to the rhythm section, sometimes saying "just listen"(*) or "just watch my left hand and work the chords out" etc. etc. - Drop or add bars/beats as they please. - Change tempo unexpectedly. It's tempting to think that they are simply bad musicians, but they sound good when playing their own material and are able to get gigs which I am sure their audiences enjoy. So, I think it must be some sort of cultural difference, specifically that I'm thinking of things bottom-up and they're thinking top-down. For the bottom up view there's a set form and a set sequence of chord changes which the rhythm section will lay down. The singers, horn players etc. can add their stuff on top but they must follow that underlying structure. They could perhaps push or pull slightly against the beat, or substitute some chords, but the form must be respected. For top-down the lyrics and melody are the defining part and any accompaniment then follows whatever the singer (or perhaps instrumentalist) is doing - strumming an acoustic guitar to underpin one's own signing would be a good example. The sort of charts which consist of the lyrics of a song with some simple triads and occasional dominant chord written alongside are not much use to me, as the form is not clear in them, but I think they'd make total sense if thought of from a lyrics/melody-first perspective (presumably why acoustic-guitar-strummers use them heavily). Does this seem at all reasonable? If I'm not barking up the wrong tree, suggestions on how it might be easier to work with the top-down people when they turn up are welcome. (*) Of course, at some jazz jams one might be expected to "just listen" without charts but then I'd expect the tune to be a known structure and get some clue like "It's in Bb, AABA form; A sections are 12-bar Bird blues and B sections are a rhythm changes bridge" shortly before the count-in.

Do you mind if I ask what you didn't like about it? As it happens I did a grade exam around the same time, also with a merit, and didn't much fancy another one. There was no time to warm up and at one point I was surprised by a request to sing from dots, which is never going to happen.

Some of them, particularly singers, turn up with something they particularly want to do (often the same each time), but there are plenty of instrumentalists who are happy to play on anything. Changing people over is a faff (the space is quite cramped) so when singers come up they are often allowed to do a couple of tunes; horn players will be invited to come up for these. This jam is one of the reasons I took up playing guitar again. We started getting some bass guitarists looking for jazz practice, so I thought I could do a little guitar whilst they were up. Then, once I'd got into it, jazz guitarists started turning up as well (N.B. the guitarist mentioned above is not a proper jazz guitarist, as their answer might suggest ;-). BTW, in addition to our jazz jam there are two folk/acoustic sessions and one open mic night in the town per month as well.

Interesting idea - I'll have a think on how we could manage that. We have a sign-up sheet, of course, but that's not particularly clear to the people waiting.

Last night at the Chequers in Chipping Norton was rather busy. So were the two sessions before that. We're attracting a variety of players and also audience and it's getting to the point where it's hard to fit everyone and we're over-running or missing people out, or both. Not sure how to fix that. There was some good stuff played, though. Strangely, no drummers turn up; our chap has to play all night, but we usually get at least one other bassist and we had three guitarists last night. This is a jazz jam with a website which reminds people to bring charts for the band if they want to call something not in iReal, real books etc. But: Guitarist: <calls unfamiliar tune> Bassist: How does that go? G: It's in G. B: What sort of progression? G: It's a blues. B: Is it a standard 12-bar? G: No. B: What is it, then? G: It goes something like G G G G G G G D, I think. B: Do you have a chart? G: No. etc. etc.

This afternoon I felt like listening to the '92 Seville blues night again. It was great when I heard the original broadcast; I'd not heard of some of these players before.

It's not that bad if you've got a free corner of a room in which to lean it. The main difficulty is getting it down the stairs...

The two are complimentary. Honest.

Some things it would be nice to do in 2026: 1. Improve my DB soloing. 2. Improve DB speed and endurance for when horn players call rhythm changes at high tempos etc. 3. Do more jazz gigs on DB, ideally with multiple horns. 4. Get together a jazz group with me on guitar.

Definitely, on BG. I get the impression it's closer to DB, but there's still a lot of A string use on that.

I don't know about metal but on jazz BG I end up using the G heavily and using E is relatively rare. This riff, for example, is on the top two strings. Some time ago someone posted a meme along the lines of "fretboard wear for different genres". I can't find it now but the jazz one was equal wear everywhere on the top two strings, nothing on the bottom two. I wonder how accurate the metal image was...

An unlined fretless jazz, ideally with a maple board, would be nice though.

Thanks for the warning about that. Unfortunately the first weekend in October is almost always taken, so I'll probably not make it this time.

I'm not surprised to see in this thread that it sounds great at the time to play whilst stoned, but that the recordings tell a different story... Personally, I would rarely even have alcohol when performing, and certainly nothing else whatsoever, as full concentration is required. When I was an undergraduate there was plenty of stoned playing around, though. I recall a popular singer who claimed he could never remember the lyrics unless he'd had "a couple of pints and a bucket," which is presumably the condition in which he spent most of his time. A local rehearsal studio was run by a chap who dealt pot as a sideline so there were usually jazz woodbines being passed around.

Assuming you mean those available as a "reaction", they can be useful in some circumstances, in my experience. For example, before they were introduced on Github many comment threads on issues would fill up with posts containing "+1" and no other text. Now, anyone wishing to show their support need only click the reaction emoji, greatly reducing clutter.

Apologies for replying to the old thread, but it seemed better than starting a new one for a similar question. I too would like a curly lead with an angled jack at one end. I've got a Vox one but the straight part at the angled end is not quite long enough to pass through between strap and body; one with a slightly longer end would be useful. There don't appear to be Lava cables at Gear4Music any more (perhaps they are no longer made): https://www.gear4music.com/Electric_Guitars/guitar-cable.html?page=1&filters[1548]=10150&filters[1549]=10154

An early start this year with a gig in Charlbury on the 31st of Jan: https://www.charlbury.info/events/10538

However, a local gypsy jazz guitarist recently purchased a Yamaha SLB 300 (which he cannot play) out of his own pocket which he claims is for use by whichever bassist is in his band. Presumably that would be a rare occurrence of a "band bass"?

I was just thinking that technically I managed a tier 1 success last year and could probably do it again, but I don't think it counts. Once I'm able to play what I would like to play adequately enough and have an opportunity to do so then the GAS tends to evaporate. Plus, the only bass that would tempt me at present is one of those where if one has to ask the price then it's too much. Even a relatively cheap in comparison EUB upgrade is not justifiable. So, resisting bass gear is fairly easy at the moment. But, I suck at jazz guitar and no-one wants me to play it, so there's plenty of GAS still around.

I'd like to see if I can manage this coming year without multiple tier 2 fails again.

Musically related: A guitar book, as I need more practice at this secondary instrument. A clip on light for my music stand, so I will be prepared for a difficult pit orchestra job in May. An album by this chap, which I haven't had chance to listen to yet due to travelling to visit relatives. I suspect there may be a "vintage" guitar strap along these lines still to come. In relation to that last picture I infer from his expression that Mr. Harris could be asking whether one is looking at his bird and would perhaps be interested in further discussion in the car park (which, from what I have read, would be in character).

Having volunteered for the pit orchestra for a show in May in the local theatre I will find out some of this, though it won't be a panto. More of this sort of thing.

Always annoying! A band of which I'm presumably still a member (though no rehearsals have been organised recently) was afflicted by misuse of rehearsal time. I'd always ask for example recordings and charts well in advance, but sometimes receive them late in the evening the day before. Similarly, requests for a set list for the next rehearsal would be answered, but when I turned up prepared there was a good chance of encountering "oh, I thought we'd try a new one, here are the charts and let's have a listen to a recording." There's one other band I play with where the first time I encounter new tunes is most likely on the bandstand during a gig, but the material is so simple that this is not a problem. The material for the band mentioned above is more complex, with various parts for horns and specific arrangements.