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Hi Dale If you go here http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musical-instruments/guitars-basses/el-guitars/802/4095/ down to the bottom System E12 if I read it correctly I think its putting it at around June 2003 Hope all is well and your giving the BB2004 the RHCP flea treatment ! Cheers Nige

Was just listening to this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGgAJMGTsJE[/media] Can't understand a word the chap is saying, but thought it was nicely recorded so as to give you an idea of the colourisation of the bass sound by the selected preamp , the only thing that I thought we should have had was a straight unpreamped bass sound for comparison. Having had a recent discussion with our keyboardist , who having just come back from a sucessfull well known studio ,where he had done some A & B comparisons with actual very expensive rack units , and equivalent software plugins , he was of the opinion that the software ones only really scratched the surface. So you would you spend this sort of money for that sound , and if so which would you choose? Recording starts at about 2.10 Gear used: -Musicman Stingray5 (Ed Garnett) -Apogee Symphony Interface -Tube-Tech MEC 1A -Focusrite Red 1 -HHB Radius 10 -Summit 2BA-221 -Avalon Design U5 -ART Pro-MPA

Met Dale this morning and sorted him out with a Yamaha BB2004 , good communication , and smooth transaction , top bloke , will deal again A++++ Cheers Nige

This is great , but to be honest the full set of episodes sounds brill ! Made my evening last night ,couldn't stop watching them. Great to see a great bunch of people and Daryl promoting young true talent ,check out the vids with the Company of Theives among others . Anybody coming with me to uncle Daryl's ? Homepage link http://www.livefromdarylshouse.com/ [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXxdObGKuI[/media]

Just watched this , everybody having great fun Marcus and Larrys face are a picture as they go up the neck at about 4.06 , the ending is also gloriously fabulous and over the top ! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAUUigifAnM[/media]

Probably a sense of guilt about Syd . I beleive on the way to a gig they just didn't bother to pick him up in the van !

All the best with this mate. Our guitarists son did the drum summer scholarship last year , he had a blast ! He did plenty of playing , and made new contacts, even to the point where he is still co- writing stuff , and sending drum files back & forth etc

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1359581332' post='1957115'] Whats all this sudden obsession with "tone", have I accidentally logged on to guitarchat.co.uk ?. I just saddens me that people will spend the rest of their lives obsessing about something which quite honestly makes sod all difference to the vast majority of people who will ever watch them play when they could be putting the time and energy to much better use. I mean really its almost hard not to get a decent sound from modern kit so why waste time chasing some ultimate unobtainable super tone. [/quote] It wasn't me honest gov ! Pete started it !

Doddy I refer to what you said earlier ( The characteristics of the player are a lot more noticable, audibly, than the characteristics of the instrument.) So are characteristics not style? As you know with V bass you are but a midi controller triggering the tone . By the way nice hear off another V bass user , I was beginning to think it was only me and Ped !

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1359575672' post='1956974'] But, if anyone else played through your gear, they would all sound different. It all starts with the player. I could play a Precision all day, and I wouldn't sound like Jamerson or Pino.It's just how it is. The characteristics of the player are a lot more noticable, audibly, than the characteristics of the instrument. [/quote] Doddy I know what your saying , but are you now talking about style of playing not tone? Honestly I wouldn’t have said that before using the V bass , but the reality now is that I could stick the midi pickup on your bass , Pino’s bass , or even a plank of wood with strings on it and if I selected the Jazz Bass Slap Preset , you or Pino would have exactly the same bass tone as myself . Now whether I can use that bass tone to play in the style of Jamerson , Pino or Marcus is questionable !

Unless your going to be some sort of individual virtuoso I now think it doesn’t matter. If you play in a covers band surely the emphasis is to get the tone to match the track as best you can, whether that means playing more on the back pickup for a more throaty bark or more on the front pickup and palm muting for a motown track. Unfortunately Joe public won’t even notice. We also have the problem that we and the general public have been conditioned for nearly 50 years to the Fender electric bass sound due to the amount of tracks that it has been used on over the years, I remember reading somewhere in the bass for sale section that someone was selling a stunning boutique bass, because they’d bought a fender jazz which would cover all there work, and that it would make the studio engineers happy because they new what to do with that bass tone! I recently picked up a 2[sup]nd[/sup] hand first generation Roland V bass system it has pretty much most of the bass tones covered, in isolation you could nit pick over the sounds but in a band studio situation you honestly wouldn’t know, I have a running joke with the drummer when we record anything as to whether I’m playing my bass or I’m playing a plank of would with strings (the V bass) which is all it is when just running off the midi pickup only. So to cover most tones I am now using a combination of things, my plank of wood with strings is actually a Yamaha TRB5Pll, a Roland V bass, an EBS HD650 amp and a BFM Jack 12. Also remember if going through a PA, your bass tone goes into a mixing desk preamp, desk eq, desk gates etc, and then out through there amps and probably out through 15’’ or 18’ speakers, so where’s your tone now, I think its probably more important to just be able to hear yourself !!

Electrical sockets , So true !! Nice one

I think it must be a bass player thing, would you say we maybe all slightly pragmatic in our approach to things as well as playing an instrument that is part of the foundation of the band/music etc. I remember many moons ago when I was but a mere boy of 17 I hadn’t passed my driving test but we use to rehearse out the back of one of the local pubs. It was I the bass player who use to have to borrow my dads van so that the keyboardist who had a license could drive it, we would then fill the van with all our kit, and the keyboardist and drummer would sit in the front, and I would walk/ run to and from the practice room, go figure! Perhaps I just have T**T written on my forehead!

Its a Hereford thing mate , I'm glad I'm a member of your club !!

Your only 25 !!! How about going with option 1 , do it for as long as you can , learn all you can , make as many contacts as possible from promoters , staff, and other muso's , make as big a network as possible , make notes on all of the above . Then when it gets to much , chuck it in and start your own with the extensive knowledge that you now have !!! Wish I was 25 again , no brainer , cruise ship , women , booze !!! Oh deary me !

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1348305656' post='1812055'] Small word, Chris, me too. Amazing groove player and great all round.. hi-hat work was so funky he used to stop people in their tracks during sound-checks [/quote] Me too , taught him everything he knows ! Loll !!! We played at school , and then various bands there after , have to agree about his hi- hat work he can make the bloody thing talk !! Bit of a switch playing with Groove Armarda and now with the Proclaimers I beleive !

[b]still struggling to figure out how that behringer system works =/[/b] As far as I understand it , you require your FOH mixing desk to have direct outs , 16 of these can be fed into one of these [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Behringer-POWERPLAY-16-P16-I-Personal-Monitor-Mixer/ITY"]http://www.gear4musi...nitor-Mixer/ITY[/url] which then enables these all to be fed down one cat cable to stage , there upon you can plug it into one of these [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Behringer-POWERPLAY-16-P16-M-Personal-Monitor-System/IU1"]http://www.gear4musi...itor-System/IU1[/url] from this you can daisy chain up to 64 of the above, so if you have one personal monitor you can select 16 other band players in your personal ear mix , and have control over each players volume , eq, pan, solo and mute etc likewise your drummer with his personal monitor can select 16 band players in his personal ear mix how he wants it , ie volume, eq, pan , solo and mute etc , and so you go on for another remaining 62 personal monitors ! Just think if you were in a 64 piece choir , all 64 members could have control over there own in ear personal mix, all off one small cable , no need for massive monitor cabs etc Probably a bit over the top for your setup , but it does make you rethink whats now possible !

[quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1341582897' post='1721347'] Have a look at this.... just add IEM's [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Behringer-POWERPLAY-16-P16-M-Personal-Monitor-System/IU1"]http://www.gear4musi...itor-System/IU1[/url] [/quote] We have been using these in the studio , and we have all been surprised how good they are, seems behringer have done something right. Really nice to have individual monitor control over 16 different tracks etc. You need to have one of these as well http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Behringer-POWERPLAY-16-P16-I-Personal-Monitor-Mixer/ITY I believe you can daisy chain 64 of controllers off one cat cable Were looking at using it live in the future , only the keyboardist has got his self set up yet for gigs but so far he loves it , just like being the studio except on stage he reckons !!!

Well we had a 3 piece drums, guitar and keyboards, and we just couldn’t find any bass players, so some how it was decided that I should play bass. After purchasing said instrument, and I think only having it less than a week, the rest of the band turned up at my 18[sup]th[/sup] birthday party, they left me a present, Level 42 Standing in the Light album with an accompanying note which read “Happy Birthday we think you should play bass like this guy !” Of course I can only deduce from this, that I must have been one hell of a sh*te guitarist !!!! Mind you I did see Dave Gilmour stood on a wall playing Comfortably Numb at Earls Court in 1979, which did slightly blow my mind, and I instantly bought a stringed instrument, two strings too many but hey ho !!!!

Lozz that’s pretty much what we do already, and its only vocals through monitor wedges, I think its more to do with the way the FOH PA sub can and will cancel out my backline so you end up with no way of monitoring your own bass except off reflections etc. Our sound guy had a good sound out front but the reflections from the room were playing havoc with us. rOB Glad to hear that’s how you do it, cause that’s what I’m thinking of doing, hence that’s why I’m thinking we have all got it wrong! Practicalities might be a problem, but I can certainly see the sense in having speakers facing you to monitor yourself, rather than the stereotypical wall of Marshalls behind you!

Played a gig last night in a room that has given me problems before but not quite as bad. Stone walled barn, wooden floor and cathedral ceiling. Basically set up in the normal way with backline amp and cabs behind me. Started playing could just about hear myself, and then the sound guy brought up the volume on the PA subwoofer and my bass backline disappeared. This meant that I was trying to monitor myself from the front PA sub that was approx 6 metres or more diagonally opposed to me. Also created timing issues as the drummer couldn’t hear my backline either and ended up trying to play off the sound reflection coming from the back of the room. I have come across this situation before but probably not quite a bad, so it got me wondering have we got it all wrong and really should have our backline laid out in front of us? Anyone for some frontline !!!