SteveK

[quote name='grimbeaver' timestamp='1327666451' post='1514982'] No it,s a reforming band that has a look with a flying V lead, explorer & Thunderbird, it's just the way it is [/quote] Hmmm, doesn't happen to be Andy Powell's Wishbone Ash, does it?

[quote name='Low End Bee' timestamp='1327592611' post='1513911'] Interesting and thought provoking is definitely not trolling. [/quote]I agree, Nigel often starts [i]Interesting and thought provoking[/i] threads. However, I don't think this is one of them. With respect, It just seems to be about Nigel's inability to understand that different people appreciate music, or the components of music, for different things.

Nigel, you seem to be asking, "Why doesn't everybody dig what I dig? Why doesn't everybody hate what I hate?" [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1327530724' post='1513100'] Are we so deaf to [b]beautifully nuanced simplicity[/b]? [/quote]I read those 3 words, and Sade springs to mind. You may love listening to Sade... personally, I would rather rub salt in my eyes (Of course, you may not like Sade either, but you get my point). [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1327530724' post='1513100'] By god I see a lot of this on here. It seems many of us judge the quality of musicians by their chops. [/quote]I guess your referring to some clips that you don't rate but others do... I haven't seen them. But It's perfectly normal for a young developing musician to be impressed with a display of "technical stuff©" It's part of motivation, learning and developing as a musician. One thing I really take issue with is:[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1327533394' post='1513151'] I think that's why non-musicians seem to appreciate music so much more than most of us musicians do. [/quote]That's a helluva generalisation, which IMV is simply not true. If the guys you play with don't appreciate music more than yer average "non-musician", then you're playing with the wrong guys.

[quote name='Fat Rich' timestamp='1327416616' post='1510861'] I don't think the YT poster was saying that scales on bass are any different to scales on any other instrument,just that you can play more exotic scales on bass because of the lower register. If you played some of the notes that Jamerson played on Motown, but with a bright zingy tone or on a brighter instrument people would look at you like you made a mistake. On a bass with a nice fat wooly sound it just creates a bit of passing tension without drawing too much attention to what's causing it. [/quote]I'm going to have to ask for an example, because I honestly don't have a clue what you're saying.

[quote name='thepurpleblob' timestamp='1327411119' post='1510703'] Where does it say that? I read through a few pages of comments and couldn't see anything about different scales. There were (of course) some comments about scale *lengths*. Sure you weren't getting confused with that? [/quote] Don't know if it's OK to copy and paste from YT. If not, Mods can delete. This is the quote: "Some bass scales involve notes that wouldnt sound too great playing on the guitar octave. the lower bass octave allows said notes to blend in and become more viable." Absolute tosh! As risingson says, a scale is a scale.

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1327347852' post='1509787'] Which is why they're playing down 'The Dog and Duck' Saturday night not Wembley Stadium. [/quote]You could not be wider of the mark.

[quote name='chaypup' timestamp='1327338263' post='1509576'] I imagine said drummers etc don't mind having a sh*t live sound then... [/quote] "said drummers" are pretty much at the top of their game, and didn't get there by "having a sh*t sound". FWIW When we arrive at a rehearsal/venue/TV etc we give the drummer 10 minutes to have a play before the rest of us get on stage. Soundchecks can be stressful at the best of times.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1327320516' post='1509161'] Hi Ben. The Jazz Cafe often has worthwhile acts and an 'intimate' atmosphere... [url="http://venues.meanfiddler.com/jazz-cafe/home"]http://venues.meanfi.../jazz-cafe/home[/url] [/quote]Or, more specifically [url="http://venues.meanfiddler.com/jazz-cafe/full-listings/featured-gigs/5464"]http://venues.meanfi...tured-gigs/5464[/url] Although,possibly a little too soon for you

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1327331471' post='1509418'] You obviously haven't seen back stage at a Rush gig then [/quote]No, I haven't had that pleasure. I'm now trying to imagine Neil Peart being 'told off' by a BBC engineer...

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1327323593' post='1509238'] I say cut the guy some slack, he's just trying to do his job. Chances are he hasn't been given enough time to EQ / mix the full band anyway and then when he starts trying to get proper individual levels the drummer starts barraging round the kit. In his shoes I'd probably have told her 'Save it for the show, luv' too [/quote] [quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1327328624' post='1509349'] Too right, that is not the way to behave when checking the kit, at least at first. [/quote]For the most part EQing and levels will have been done by the crew before the band arrives. Drummers have a problem that singers, bass players, keyboard players etc don't have, inasmuch as they're not able to have a kit set up in the dressing room. It isn't a case of 'save it for the show' more a case of, when they've been on the road for a couple of weeks the only time that they can really stretch and loosen up is at soundcheck. The drummer will perform, or at least [i]feel[/i] that he will perform better having had a 'blat' around the kit for a few minutes before hand.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1327148735' post='1506963'] and promptly got told off by the BBC engineer on the desk saying there's no way I can get you a sound if you do that, rack tom 1 please. [/quote]I know a few drummers who, had they been 'told off' by an engineer (BBC or not), would have presented said engineer with a nice bit of bling...in the shape of a snare drum necklace. EDIT: Thinking about it, I know a bass player who would be none too happy about either

[quote][size=5]do i need theory[/size][/quote] Depends what you want to do. If you only want to get together with your mates and play for fun every now and then, then just carry on having fun. If however, you want to go further (as I suspect that you do) then, at the very least an understanding of basic theory will be invaluable. Understanding the [i]principle[/i] of intervals (4ths and 5ths etc) and modes is a 5 minute lesson - to get them to effortlessly roll off your fingers in a creative fashion is another matter. There's some really good stuff in the theory section.

It's said that everyone has a God sized hole in their heart... I'm an atheist... gotta fill that hole with something. Seriously though, I remember about 1964 when I was 8 or 9 my uncle had a band play for his 21st birthday party. They probably weren't that good, playing the hits of the day, The Beatles, Manfred Mann, Dave Clarke Five etc. That's when my life changed. I just sat looked and listened, I was totally in awe.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1326152719' post='1493190'] You need to go a bit deeper than that, my friend. I wasn't hoping for a simple list [/quote]Oh well, that's put paid to my post then... got me some music to make... Maybe tomorrow

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1326151557' post='1493165'] I have too. It invariably leads to misery and disappointment, and time and financial loss, as you attempt to repoint your brickwork with dogshit. [/quote]Eh?.. How so?

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1326150437' post='1493139'] Indeed, always listen to things you don't like....You'll always learn something Si [/quote]In my developing years, I and my budding musician friends would often buy albums, not necessarily because we liked them, but because we thought there was something we could learn from them. Something I've always done, although a lot less in recent years

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1326061519' post='1491875'] Discuss. [/quote] Not much to discuss really, by your own admission your 'no Victor Wooten fan'. You've managed to find an exceptionally ropey quality clip and used it to justify your view. The discussion would have more merit had you chosen a better quality clip. To criticise VW (or the audience) on the basis of that clip says more about the OP than VW. I'm not particularly a fan of VW or that style... BUT, I do know that to ignore someone of Wooten's obvious ability and not take a closer look will more likely upset your musical development more than it will hurt Victor Wooten.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1326026314' post='1491152'] it's really that percussive finger style he has when he plays above the P pickup on his pedulla bass. Anyway I was wondering what I can do to try and get that sound he has during this vids - I dig in quite a bit but don't know what else I can do to help get closer. [/quote] His style (going by the clip) is predominantly a rolling 16s. Most exercises can be adapted to a particular feel. I would suggest adapting your exercises to that 16s feel.

[quote name='ObscureRyan' timestamp='1325784557' post='1487686'] I can't hear notes by ear. [/quote] [quote name='ObscureRyan' timestamp='1325784983' post='1487700'] Oh yeah i would like to add that the songs are [b]very simple.[/b] [/quote] 'Very simple'? Ryan, please don't take this the wrong way... Have you really tried to figure the songs out?...I mean [b]really[/b] tried? There's nothing like being thrown in at the deep end, sweating and panicking at the thought of the imminent gig to focus the mind... it's part of the learning process. Sit down and really try to 'hear notes by ear', try to figure it out for yourself. Work at it... don't just look to others for the quick and easy solution. If the gigs are in a couple of days and you've really struggled with it, and got nowhere...then fair do's!

Black silk gloves??? Reckon that's taking [i]'getting in touch with my feminine side, man!'[/i] a step too far. Never did dig that whole [i]Dandy, New Romantic[/i] look.

Normally raising the action reduces fret buzz. However, as you "know zilch", before you start making adjustments, I would advise reading some of these [url="http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&cp=16&gs_id=2r&xhr=t&q=setting+up+a+bass+guitar&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=setting+up+a+bas&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=440660d03c957758&biw=1680&bih=927"]http://www.google.co...iw=1680&bih=927[/url]

S'funny, one thing I noticed pretty early on: (to paraphrase Gary Player) [i]The more I practice...the better my tone.[/i]

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1324663722' post='1476884'] Actually, I don't really care one way or the other, but I'm always surprised by inconsistencies in views - in this case the view that it's basically OK for musicians to make tens of millions out of a few years work but it's basically not OK for bankers to do the same sort of thing. [/quote]Oh, come on, comparing musicians to bankers (?)... I've heard it all now.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1324123463' post='1470996'] Conversely, why should an artist spend 20 minutes writing a song, a couple of hours recording it, and then be able to reap millions from that half-day's work for the rest of their life? Sure, it's an extreme example, but we can all think of plenty of examples so it's a well-know phenomenon. At least artists are actually doing a job of work when performing, which is something the audience can actually relate to. [/quote]20 minutes, 20 hours, 20 weeks wtf has that got to do with anything? Sorry, the above sounds a little like jealousy. [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1324123463' post='1470996'] Am I the only person to have felt rather uncomfortable about the sight of multi-millionaire artists such as Sir Cliff Richards lobbying for a change in the law because they felt that 50 years 'protection' of their royalties was not enough? [/quote]Yeah, much better that any royalties ends up in the pockets of some (stereotype alert) [i]overweight, cigar wielding, money-man, [/i]or anyone else who had sod-all to do with the songs creation.

[quote][font=comic sans ms,cursive][u][b]Session musicians are becoming a thing of the past ? [/b][/u][/font][/quote] The honest answer?..Absolutely! It's increasingly becoming a producer's world, so I would not advise session work as a career path. Having said that... Chris2112 offers some [b]sensible[/b] advice...it's the kind kind of [b]sensible[/b] advice that, as a young, obsessed, single-minded wannabe... I (thankfully) ignored. [quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1323888337' post='1468355'] It must be great having your head in the clouds. [/quote][b]Not[/b] having your head in the clouds would go some way to explaining why music as a profession is/was not for you. MusicLover20015, I would say, if you're at all swayed by the naysayers in this thread, then music is not for you...however, if you do have your head in the clouds, are obsessed and single-minded, then go for it.