Musicman20

Jesus....thats one massive rig....

I saw that advertised! Nice bass

[quote name='Clarky' post='566224' date='Aug 11 2009, 08:59 PM']As it happens we are due to play the 12 Bar in Denmark Street on Sat 29th. Not sure I will bring JJB to that though as its practically the world's smallest stage and there is a big risk of dinging one's beloved (bass, not missus )[/quote] Wicked. Ill speak to the missus and see if she fancies popping to come and see you guys. She likes her punk anyway. [quote name='Finbar' post='566399' date='Aug 11 2009, 11:31 PM']Shuker basses are superb. The JJB is also an excellent bass. The neck is massive with wide string spacing, but it just feels so perfectly 'hand shaped'. Can't wait for mine Jon is a great guy to deal with though. Tell him exactly what you want, and he'll make it. Just be sure you know exactly what you want. We're up Grimsby way again sometime quite soon - you can fanny round on mine for a bit. Might not be your cup of tea though. Infact, are your band playing it? I'm not sure :s[/quote] When are you playing?! Ill check and see if we are. We probably can play is there is a slot. Cheers! I've seen a few pics of your bass....great stuff! Are you getting a JJB too? [quote name='OldGit' post='566405' date='Aug 11 2009, 11:43 PM']Tinman's in Lincs if you want to see a Shuker in the wood. It's not a jazz but you'll see how well he makes them. +1 on you get what you ask for so be careful and do more thinking and trying things before you order. re holding their price, wella Fender will always be easier to sell as people know what they are getting. A super jazz will be easier to sell than a full on personalised custom but you have to find the right person. It's best to order thinking you'll never sell it. BTW spend the extra and get the side LED's. Worth every penny of the uplift. Impresses the punters and guitarists too [/quote] Good idea. I think I need to think a lot more first, thanks. [quote name='eude' post='566745' date='Aug 12 2009, 01:40 PM']Shuker basses are amazing! Jon is a real craftsman and can pretty much build anything you can dream up plus his prices are more than reasonable, not sure how he does it! I've had 2 of Jon's basses, the first is a 6 string 33" scale single-cut which is my go to bass, which I'll never ever part with. The second was a 4 string 33" all black Jazz Bass, which unfortunately I had to let go just recently, as I discovered the wood choices and the whole Jazz Bass sound just wasn't me, no fault of Jon's though, he built me exactly what I asked for and it was an amazing bass, just not my bass... Jon's timescales have gone a little bit off of late, partly down to the volume of work he's taken on, being flooded once, possibly twice and his assistant being off work for a prolonged amount of time, leaving Jon to do absolutely everything himself. My 6 string was Jon's first bolt-on single-cut and his first 33" scale bass but he still managed to get it to me in about 12 weeks, however my arguably much simpler Jazz Bass took almost 11 months, but it was down to bad timing as detailed above. Jon is an incredibly nice guy and a real pleasure to work with, the only issue I've ever had has been the speed of response by email and the occasional missed email too, but I'm sure everyone would agree, they'd prefer he channeled all his energy into making incredible basses rather than being brilliant at admin. There are of course other bass builders out there and for a full on non-fender custom jobs I would make sure and look around to be sure you're getting exactly what you want, but if you're looking for a straight up super fender style bass I wouldn't bother knocking on anyone else's door. I'm not sure how they'd compare to a Sadowsky, but I'm sure they'd give them a pretty good run for the money, with a lot more options and they work out a fair bit cheaper too. As far as resale goes, I'm not sure a custom bass is ever really going to hold it's value that well. It's usually a combination of irrational and entirely personal decisions that make someone's "dream bass", but quite often somebody's dream is somebody else's nightmare... Obviously if you go down the more classic Jazz or Precision style bass you're more likely to get your money back than on something like my 6 string. The resale on my Jazz Bass wasn't great, but again it was quite customised, 33" scale, slab body, quite specific wood choices and EMGs, but it found a good home where it's loved which I'm very pleased about. That's my 2p then Cheers, Eude[/quote] I thought it was a reasonable price as well. Im trying to think of my specs at the moment, and something that makes unique to me. Cheers guys

That P Five looks fantastic.

To be fair, MIJ instruments are great, but the prices are much higher now. In addition, comparing my 2 USA Fender's and MIJ P Bass, the USA basses are MUCH better. Plus the cases are excellent....top of the range. Its not all just in the finish/neck as well...the tone on the USA P bass is SO much brighter/chunkier/bassier and with a lot more punch. Obviously I cant really compare the J to the MIJ P. Im not having a pop at the MIJ, they are good, but they obviously cater to a lower price bracket.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='567007' date='Aug 12 2009, 05:26 PM']I cant get my head around how much the USA Laklands cost. I know they use better wood etc but if the skylines are near perfect i find it hard to imagine the USa ones are worth almost three times the cost..[/quote] +1!

[quote name='Clarky' post='566171' date='Aug 11 2009, 07:39 PM']No idea about value but I guess a classic design will hold its value better than a very-personally-specified custom .... but then again virtually no basses ever hold their new value. A couple of guys on BC have Shuker Jazzes - I would shoot jonthebass a PM about his white/black/birdseye maple Jazz (think there's a pic in the Jazz gallery of the Shuker website)[/quote] Cheers! Just looked at the gallery....great looking basses... About the B Bash....I probs wont be able to make it, but cheers anyway. Are you playing any gigs in LANDAN over August B/Hol weekend? I'm down there over that weekend.

[quote name='Clarky' post='566156' date='Aug 11 2009, 07:26 PM']I have a Shuker JJ Burnel and have previously owned 2009 Fender Ps and Js. Although the latter are great basses, there is something about the Shuker that feels better quality, from the brass nut to the phenolic scratchplate (with neat little truss rod cover) and the thick paint finish. The p/ups are higher output than a US P and our drummer complemented me on the sound of the bass at our rehearsal last night. In short it feels how I imagine a Fender Custom Shop bass would feel ... but its British![/quote] See that sounds great! Do they hold their value-ish...assuming you get one thats a design people like? Im after the ultimate 70s style Jazz, classic growl. The USA 75 Reissue Fender is not that much less than a custom Shuker! And, to be fair, with Fender my Jazz I have is spot on, so I dont see how another £500-£600 on another Fender will improve it.

Never dealt with a custom builder before! I am completely new too its. After everyone seemed to say how good Shuker was, I thought i'd ask about a Jazz bass, 70s pickup location, lots of binding. YUM! Seems his prices are pretty damn good, and he is obviously an expert and a friendly chap What can i expect from a Shuker compared to a Fender/Lakland/Sadowsky? Thanks!

I once tried a fairly large Marshall combo at a practice room. It was shockingly good for how sh*t it looked.

[quote name='jezzaboy' post='565565' date='Aug 10 2009, 11:48 PM']The thing that gets me about Laklands is the price. You can buy a US P cheaper than an equivilent Lakland. The latest P basses are fantastic and as said, the build quality is better and the case is the best on the market. You get a gig bag with a Lakland. The Lakland`s are good basses but how can they justify the cost of a bass made by Cort in Indonesia or wherever compared to the cost of producing in the Us. And yeah, I know they send them to Chicago to be finished. Jez[/quote] Yeah, I kinda agree on this. Before the new Fender series, I could understand a little more, not so much now.

Jon Shuker replied, very friendly and actually very reasonable price considering I want an active circuit that can be bypassed, binding on the neck and body, and blocks on the neck. So many options. How will a Shuker stand up to a new Fender/Sadowsky/Lakland?

When I used the Compact test cab for the first time with an Ampeg SVT Pro 3 (not my amp by the way) we had a fair bit of volume. Then it dropped whilst we were tweaking the EQ....it dropped by about 75%...not sure if it was a connection on the amp or cab. I turned it all off, changed power supplies, no luck. Took the cables in and out....no luck. Took the cables in and and out again, it was fine. I think it was an amp problem...not sure.

[quote name='steve-soar' post='565273' date='Aug 10 2009, 07:09 PM']Simple. If you do not, or have not, lived in total persecution, drug enduced creativity, madness, depression, total hedonism, rock and roll!!!, then, you canNOT play heavy music and make it authentic. Pop kids and retards are jumping bandwagons every few seconds......God bless them. This is heavy. [url="http://www.myspace.com/rifffilledland"]http://www.myspace.com/rifffilledland[/url][/quote] +1

I like her vocals!

[quote name='Clarky' post='564857' date='Aug 10 2009, 12:17 PM']While Laklands may beat a selection of equivalent Fender Ps and Js (not sure, not tried them personally) I think its only fair in the interest of balance to point out that the new 2008/9 Fender American Standards are brilliant basses and a massive step up in quality from earlier years (improved bridge, tuners, rolled board edges etc). Chris/Beedster bought a 2009 Jazz off me recently and noted that it felt very close to his old Sadowsky in quality. Musicman20 has also written a review of his 2009 American Standard P and J basses and been knocked out by the quality. I suspect that Fender California have had to raise their game given the quality of the competition (Lakland, Sadowsky etc)[/quote] +1 to this. As Clarky said Ive recently got two of the new Fender basses, (Jazz and Precision). I waited for a LONG time to get two new USA models, and it paid off now they have improved them. All the points that people werent happy with (eg thin bridge) have been completely sorted out with the 08/09 series. I have tried the previous series and these instruments really do feel worth their £800-900 price tag. The new cases are great, the necks are much smoother and have been rolled at the edges, and the sound...well....when I first plugged my Jazz in....thats was the tone Id been after for a long time. The P bass just thumps like crazy...so much low end and punch for a simple design. All in all, Fender have really pulled it togther. Even the new colours are great, esp with the tort guards. I am off to try some Laklands very soon. My problem is the colours on some of the models, and the fact I have heard that they do not sound completely like a Jazz/Precision. Thats good for some, but Im not sure I will get on with it. Best thing is to try them all. Both good companies, both have good instruments. I tend to prefer the classic vintage styling of Fender and their inherent tone.

Fender P's are great for metal. Do not underestimate how much better they can be compared to a more 'metal' style of bass. Just change your amp perhaps? Or a dirt pedal. Nice new strings....chunky and driving bass

[quote name='mike257' post='565125' date='Aug 10 2009, 04:23 PM']I think to have a satisfying experience as an originals band, everybody involved needs to have more or less the same aspirations and work ethic. My last originals band wasn't exactly a profit machine, but we took the business end of things very seriously, and always at least broke even. We worked our nuts off to build a committed fan base in our local area, and bypassed promoters by hiring the venues ourselves. We used to make a comfortable few hundred quid doing a local headline show every other month, and that covered our expenses travelling further afield to places where we didn't yet have the pulling power to attract a decent fee. Between that, and merch sales, we got all around the country, staying in Travelodges every time (no roughing it in the van!) and covered all our expenses, and it never cost us a penny of our own money. The thing is, it takes up countless hours of everybody's time, probably more time than you spend practicing, to do all the promoting and haggling and whatever else, and if you're the only guy in your band taking it that seriously, there's a real problem. Just realised this is turning into an essay, so I'll shut up now. I'd be wondering, If the rest of your band aren't pulling their weight, maybe they just haven't got the same ambitions for it that you have![/quote] [quote name='OldGit' post='565184' date='Aug 10 2009, 05:25 PM']+1 I've been doing band promotion for my bands for years and in some cases I've been the only one. It really is a case of sharing it out. I find that some people are great self-starters and basically get on with it by themselves. Others need a bit of a steer. You have to give them a job and make sure they know what to do . I used to have poster putter-uppers in one band they had a "section" of town where I'd give them a list of 30 or so places each and send them 50 posters. Then they got on with it cos they had a "job" and they were contributing to the band overall goodness. That was all theyt did though, in a few cases. If you expect people to know what to do and do it themselves they quite often won't do anything cos they have no idea about it. Also if you are mug enough to do it all they will let you. I've played in bands where some people brought 100 people to some gigs where otehers never even brought their best mate along ... It takes a bit of managing...[/quote] Both of these comments are helpful. Indeed...it almost takes a business mind. At first the main guitarist did most the stuff....I joined and started helping. I also worked AND did a post grad in Legal Practice Course which was not easy...finally thats done! So...I juggled a lot at once. The main guitarist has now slacked off due to ex-girlfriend problems (he is 30 so he should really sort himself out and get a grip). Me and the drummer took everything on...but now Im sick of it. There are two people left out of the five I havent discussed, one of them who does NOTHING....is on the dole and all he does is turn up, do some vocals, then leave the band to clear up. The other has no people skills. The guy on the dole basically never puts in money, and went mad at me for stating we HAVE to start covering our costs....otherwise its a dead end. I felt like I was being unethical saying we needed our petrol covered, and lets face it, that is just being sensible! Someone is going home with money, and its not us, its the promoter.

[quote name='0175westwood29' post='564552' date='Aug 9 2009, 10:41 PM']im forced to agree with you with the volume thing, with my pro-6 it does seem like they've exaggerated the output, it just doesn't seem 1100w loud. but i do love the tone that it puts out! and on bigger stages with di support i never have to worry and if your playing somewhere where its just your backline with my 610 it plenty loud enough. also my 610 is built in china and has spotless QC also just checked out you band dude! nice tone! andy[/quote] Cheers man! Its a shame they are so freakin slack! I think on that recording it was my old Trace 400 SMX (now sold on) through a 4x10 they had at the studio (bizarre make, but damn crisp) and a sansamp to add some grit. Some of the songs are just DI into the board through the sansamp. The bass? Just my MIJ Reissue Fender P! Least expensive bass I own, but does a sterling job

Mr T....hows the rig search going?

Sent Shuker an email to get a rough quote