Al Krow

Yeh - they've usually got the full 'mainstream' BB range on display up to and including the P34/5s. May not have some of the more high end basses in stock (e.g. the NE2). If you give the store a quick call they'll happily confirm what they currently have in.

Agreed! And would also fall into the significant category. I've updated my earlier post

I like the handwriting analogy! But I think we are now straying into the realms of how competent technically and the groove we play with etc. Which for me is quite a different point to the impact that finger placement has on the tone you are getting out of a bass, and which is just one of the several factors mentioned above. A great bass player will make any bass sound good.

No question that our technique, finger placement etc does have a significant bearing on our sound, but I wouldn't go so far to say that it was a "large portion" which kinda implies to me that it's a dominant factor? Me playing my Yammy PJ in P mode sounds quite distinct tonally to my Spector Legend Custom or Ibanez SR Premium etc. In terms of tone from a bass itself, before we get to the rest of the signal chain, IMO the following all have impact: Significant tonal impact pups - type and placement strings EQ settings on the bass e.g. treble rolled off, and whether played actively or passively finger placement and technique properly set up => clarity / buzz etc Relatively minor tonal impact Woods used Neck through or bolt-on

It's a less sophisticated unit than the FI that lets a bassist, who doesn't want to have to spend hours and days deep diving into PC editing, get some very usable sounds quickly. Where the FI wins: overall more capable and more tweak-able synth engine midi enabled ability to provide 99 presets Where the SY-1 wins: flawless tracking all the way down to a low B (and not requiring a staccato / muted style to avoid glitching) immediacy of dials (no need for an app/midi/PC) to access some great synth sounds £175 vs £329 (new) arpeggiator polyphonic straightforward parallel loop capability ability to use an expression pedal smaller footprint So for me it was a no-brainer in going for the SY-1, which I'm loving, and I'm not missing my FI at all. For others, the pros / cons may push them to getting an FI.

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I love that description of the journey you're on! An analogue bass player in a digital world.

Haha - you're clearly suffering from a bit LOT of confusion as part of your mid-life crisis?! Surely mid-life crisis = more gear not less? (Well that's how I sold it to Mrs Krow, anyway 😂)

I guess we won't need to enquire of @cetera what the right answer to the question "how many is too many basses" then, as I think you've hit the nail on the head

What does that phrase even mean?! Someone please explain 😁😂

That's frustrating! But must admit I'm not massively surprised - this thing is clearly shifting off the shelves. And of my entire pedal board, this would probably be the one I would be most reluctant to let go of (followed by my HX Stomp). Boss have been really canny with their price point on this. It's selling for $199 in the US so you'd expect it to be around £199 or little more over here. But despite the weakening £ they've held the price at £175. Whereas the C4 is $239 in the US and £249 over here, which is getting that little bit further into the pain zone for many of us.

It totally looks the part, too, Mick! Just love the simple but elegant finish on that bass.

Don't even think of getting one, unless you're prepared to have a lot of very easy to access fun, and your creative juices pumped! 😀 If you've not seen it already, worth checking the video out that fretmeister posted above.

...and isn't going to hit on your singer! 😂 Looking forward to some sound clips!

They're already out! Both Woody and I have one on our boards and it's a seriously creative fun pedal. @Kev is having the same doubts about his C4 as you've touched on about needing an app etc and it's exactly the reason I went for the SY-1 over the C4.

The first good bass focused review! Thanks for sharing that. The two significant points they've not picked up are the additional filters provided by depth and rate dials, and that this is fully polyphonic. But totally agree with their comments that: This is a game changer compared to predecessor SYB-3 and SYB-5 pedals; No need for an app / midi / pc editing; Flawless tracking; Inspires creativity and is entertainment gold.

Yup seems to be in the Akai Deep Impact territory on ancient pedal pricing. Funnily the "big 3" bass synth pedals when the K5 came out (2005?) were the Akai DI, the K5 and the EHX BMS. Chip tech has moved on since then and the current top 3 (in my books anyway) knock this older stuff out the park. Bit like comparing a Sinclair C5 with a Tesla.

!! Is that a whole new genre for nerd rockers? 😁

Which one?

There's one in the FS, right now 😉

Looking at what Herr Quatschmacher ('HQ' from this point forward) is managing to do with the FI, it will also certainly out-do the SY-1 in terms of overall synth capability just as it does the C4; the SY-1 is for me, however, unrivalled in terms of its flawless tracking, ease of use and consequent fun; it's other usp is that it is completely poly. Being £75 less than the C4 and almost half the price of the FI (new) doesn't hurt either! So with the FI, C4 and SY-1, we bass synth pedal users are suddenly finding ourselves spoilt for choice!

That's quite an important insight Dave. Given everything else really positive you've said about the bass in terms of loving the tone, really positive feedback from your band, playing it for 5 hours continuously when you got back from hols recently etc etc., sounds to me that getting some fret 'dressing' done to lower the frets may be the win win for you with this bass? Best speak to someone with a LOT more expertise on this stuff than me, though! Someone like @Andyjr1515 for example.

+1^^ Also really loving the sound of my (in my case, mid-range) Spector! I've yet to gig it, but at 10.1 lbs that should be very manageable given that my staple gig bass is the amazingly-good-bass-for-the-money Yammy BB1025, which is also 10.1 lbs and hasn't thus far caused me any grief in terms of 2 x 1 hour gigs. A decent wide strap has gotto be key here, and adding these JFT pads which cost £10 around my straps to provide additional shoulder cushioning, has been brilliant.

I guess the neck finish and whether satin or gloss must be very personal and affects us each differently, otherwise there would be just one neck finish that everyone would be demanding! In terms of the necks, the shape is identical for the 735A and the P35 and I do find the Yammy necks to be very comfortable to play. Having had both the 735A and the P35 at the same time for a couple of months, in deciding which one to keep the finish on the back of the neck was just not a deciding factor at all for me. But I know that the original owner of the BBNE2 in my possession did mention that he found the gloss neck finish too 'cool' on that to work well with, if I remember correctly, the moisture from his hands when playing. And I certainly have had a couple of basses which were just not particularly comfortable to play for me in terms of their body shape and weight distribution - a Warwick $$ and more recently a Squier Bass VI. So there are definitely factors at work at the minutiae level that are likely unique to us individually, like our own body shapes and whether the bass sits comfortable when standing vs when we are sitting - which is another point that Dave has raised but not mentioned by anyone else on this thread as far as I can remember in relation to Yammy basses. There's clearly no substitute for 'living with' any bass to see if it works for us!