Lowender

Nobody creates using theory. When you know it acts as a guide. It helps you avoid fumbling. Do you think about what the grammatical term is for word when speaking a sentence?

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1382244918' post='2249624'] I really don't like the way you present your arguements, really aggressive and dismissive. As for a 'good eye'. Every tech I've used and even myself have used a spacing gauge. But anyway. I wouldnt pay to get done what I can do. If I felt my bass needed frets level or a nut filing and fitting then I'd go somewhere to pay money to do that. That's the difference between a setup and a tech's set up really. I'm aware of people out there who pay to get the strings changed. And some who still have the stock strings on from when they brought it new 8 years ago. Give people a break not everyone gives a rats ass about how well it should would or could play. [/quote] LOL. That's fine.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1382195239' post='2249158'] As usual , your manners betray your true intention . ................. [b]Make an accusation to take attention off your own rude comments. Works every time. [/b] [b].................................[/b] Your the one who brought up time zones . ...................... [b]Read your first sentence from your first post. [/b] [b].....................................[/b] I never said that you hadn't played a Fodera. I questioned [u]HOW MANY [/u] you had played. You say you've played a lot in the States -fair enough . I 've spent a lot of time in the States , too , and the only place I've come across a lot of Foderas is in Vinnie Fodera's workshop or at the NAAM show , so presumably that is where you encounters all these basses too . ........................ [b]There and several store in Manhattan have them. As do some friends. [/b] [b]........................[/b] You are indeed denigrating Fodera basses in way in which I am not , and I would explain to you why that is if it were not for the fact thast I am sure the subtleties of the English language would be wasted on someone of such definite "opinions" as yourself. You imply in your post that they are a choice for players less informed than yourself . ..................................... [b]You're projecting again mate. You may want to watch that so not to look so foolish. [/b] [b]......................................................[/b] Thank you for your hilarious suggestion that I need reading glasses . May I suggest to you in the same humorous and friendly manner that it is better to need reading glasses than reading lessons , as you seem to be in need of . ........................ [b]Nice try. Better luck next time. [/b] [/quote] ................

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1382193021' post='2249125'] I certainly comprehend your posting bollocks as fact, and subsequently telling people they are dumb shits when they challenge you [/quote] Show me one post where I called people any names (no less dumb shits) for disagreeing with me and I'll write you a check for $10,000. If not, you may want to just keep quiet.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1382193831' post='2249137'] You may well be making a false assumption about what time zone I am in, too . ..................... [color=#ff0000]Then why'd you mention it? [/color] ....................... You are also wrong to assume that I am trying to infer that you have never played a Fodera. ..................... [color=#ff0000]I assumed it because that's what you said. : /[/color] ............. You may have played or indeed owned one but how many others have you played? .................................... [color=#ff0000]Quite a few. I spend a lot of time in the States. Care to try again? [/color] [color=#ff0000]........................................[/color] Foderas vary greatly from example to example - they are a custom builder after all- and so even if you didn't like yours that doesn't mean they are all like that . I have played loads of Foderas , and I didn't like most of them either , so consequently I have never bought one , but that doesn't mean that I would want to denigrate them in any way . .................... [color=#ff0000]I see. You actually share my opinion but want to make a point that when I say it , it's denigrating. Got .it. [/color] [color=#ff0000].......................................................................[/color] Different strokes for different folks and all that . Some of their five string basses are amazing , it has to be said, and put the competition to shame , so they would be a worthwhile purchase for someone who primarily plays a five ( not me) . What's for certain is the amount of hours put into each bass justifies the price . If you don't like 'em , don't buy one . No one will force you . ............................ [color=#ff0000]Thanks for the tip. [/color] ................................. Your Squire anecdote proves nothing except the eccentricities of people's preferences . ............................ [color=#ff0000]No, it doesn't. The point is that the guy was calling it as he saw it and he was right. [/color] [color=#ff0000]...................................................[/color] If you crave a Fender tone ( like I usually do) then a Fodera won't satisfy you , in all likelihood . Most exotic wood basses sound to polite and sweet for my taste nowadays ( with certain notable exceptions). But does that mean that exotic wood basses like Fodera are a con or for the gullable ? .............................. [color="#ff0000"]When did I use the word "gullable." Maybe you need reading glasses mate. Yo';re seeing things that aren't there. [/color] [/quote] ..... ..........

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1382193153' post='2249128'] I don't disagree but what your story actually illustrates is the importance of using the right tool for the job, not that one bass is inherently better or worse than the other. [/quote] Good point. That's why I have several basses. But then, what's the point of that "ultimate" bass, if it's just one of many potential tools? And not necessarily one that you'd go to very often?

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1382167658' post='2248785'] very nice check out the first couple of minutes of this (ike willis) [media]http://youtu.be/Hzsou4RSb3k[/media] [/quote] Really?

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1382189909' post='2249076'] No, I often think you talk a lot of old bollocks [/quote] You're just confusing a lack of comprehension with absence of merit. Work on it. : )

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1382186551' post='2249037'] Posted at 4.53 AM? Do you stay up at night and try to think up silly posts that will get up peoples noses? I would be very interested to know how many Foderas you have played and in what circumstances to formulate this opinion that they are all smoke and mirrors and that you will not be suckered into purchasing one. Yet another thread based on someones assertion that they wouldn't buy something that they [u]CAN'T AFFORD ANYWAY[/u] . It's like listening to someone on Income Support talk about how they have decided not to start their own International Space Programme because they have decided that those billions of pounds could be better spent on International Aid . Do you think Vinnie Fodera reads threads like this and then lies awake at night worrying that people who couldn't buy his basses to begin with have now been enlightened by one of these" discussions " and now ... [i]really[/i] won't buy one ? You obviously have no knowledge of how Fodera have gained their formidable reputation for excellence . They most certainly do not give away basses for free to famous players ( I would like to see you say that to the crew at Fodera and then listen to their reaction ; native New Yorkers don't suffer fools gladly , to say the least), but the top players particulaly in NYC but now also the rest of the World gravitate towards them because of the degree of care and attention they put into making their basses and looking after their customers. Fodera are a fantastic example of a small business making high quality products in an individualistic and uncompromising way for a niche market , and long may they prosper. Are Foderas expensive? Well , they cost a lot of money , but if you understand the amount of hours it takes uniquely skilled craftsmen to make them then they are very fairly priced . Are they actually any good as basses? Yes, they most certainly are , but they will only suit people after a particular sound and feel , just like most basses. No bass can be all things to all men . If you don't like them then that is fine , but that in itsef isn't justification for your assertion that they are not really worthwhile instruments . Regarding the rest of what you have to say though , you have hit on a fair point . Are very expensive bespoke-made basses worth the extra over a decent quality "ordinary" bass? Well , it all depends how fussy and exacting you are as a player and what is important to you . A stock Fender can be as satisfying as a Fodera , depending on the sound and feel you want from a bass . The law of diminishing returns applies to buying basses as much or more as anything else, and the final results you can get with a bass that cost ten thousand pounds are not neccesarilly much better or even much different to the results you can get with one that cost two thousand quid, but the experience of creating those results will differ between the two instruments. Only the individual can decide which is most preferable. Why have I just spent so much time typing this response? I just fell for it ...again. [/quote] Not everyone is in the same time zone as you mate. : ) Another thing you're wrong about (and it cracks me up how people make these assumptions) is that I OBVIOUSLY have no knowledge of Fodera's! lol !!! You're wrong again. I owned one. I kept trying to convince myself it was the Rolls Royce of basses but it just didn't cut it. The final nail in the coffin is when I was hired to play a bass part, (via email mp3's) and used the Fodera and the client came back asking if I could get a thicker sound. I added more lows -- he still didn't like it. Then I recorded the part with a Squier J Deluxe. His reaction? THAT'S IT! He was right. It simply sounded better. That's when I realized, if I don't like the sound, or the look, it doesn't work live and it doesn't work on recordings, why do I own this thing? To tell everyone I have an expensive bass? I sold it for a profit.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1382187385' post='2249047'] I don't often agree with what you say, but I do this time [/quote] Ah, admit it, you may not LIKE what I say, but you know I'm right ..and that's what you don't like about it. lol And yes, David Lee Roth, James Brown, Mariah Carey -- it's a quirky ability that's cool for 3 seconds out of the night. My fav is @ 2:41 of this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M Not quite as clean as the others but absolutely killer.

I'm not sure how everyone will take this, but it's something I learned early on and has been a big influence on me. It's a bit humbling. Take it for what it's worth. It seems that when it comes to soloing, almost any good guitarist will play a better solo on a bass, than most bass players. (Ulp!) Think about it . Guitarists solo. The instrument is better suited for soloing. So they "live" in that place more often which in turn gives them a better understanding of it. Bassists have other requirements and honestly soloing is down on the list. Is it any wonder they tend to solo not as well as guitarists? Now, some people may argue that a bass player shouldn't play like a guitarist ...and rhythm and groove playing is something else altogether. But the way I see it, it's a guitar. When it comes to playing a solo, why just play a busy bassline? I'd rather pass. Learning solos on other instruments helps as well. The Charlie Parker Omnibook is great for this. I found it interesting that Billy Sheenan did something I also did early in his playing -- jamming with the guitar and keyboard solos on first Santana album. They're simple and melodic and sound good on the bass. And playing a little blues guitar doesn't hurt either.

The bass is the last instrument that should solo unaccompanied within a song form, but for some reason some band mates feel that's exactly what should happen. I don't get it.

[quote name='Nick Riffed' timestamp='1382131756' post='2248609'] Fantastic voice, an amazing technique with a solid tight band behind her, but what a boring song. [/quote] Agreed. Great vocal technique, a groovin' band but a song with a dreadful melody and embarrassingly bad lyrics.

As well meaning as it may have been, what's the worst musical advice you've ever gotten? For me, it's two things: "Don;t listen to recording of yourself, or you;'ll start to copy yourself. " (I took that to heart and it made me waste years of potential progress). The second is : "Don't use a metronome or your playing will be stiff." (I know Jeff Berlin is still advocating this, but as much as I respect Jeff as a player, it's just flat out idiotic). What's yours?

Right off the bat -- if you love something and are willing to pay the price, it's worth it. Enjoy. Now, let's move on, shall we? One can argue that MIM aren't as good as a Squier VM, therefore it's overpriced, and that may be a viable argument. There are dozens of boutique and custom built basses that cost 10 times as much as a stock Fender but aren't 10 times as good so the cost can't be justified. Maybe. But which company do you think is the most outrageously overpriced? I have to go with Fodera. True, personally I'm not that impressed with the basses. They play well but don't sound all that great and don't look all that great. But that's subjective. And even if I loved them, I'd STILL think the price was nuts. THIS [url="http://www.fodera.com/FoderaAdmin/Uploads/ContentDocument/Fodera%20Price%20List%20Feb.2013.pdf"]http://www.fodera.co...%20Feb.2013.pdf[/url] is not only obscene, it's insulting in my opinion. And those numbers are American dollars, so double that. (And add shipping costs from the U.S. ) And Fodera's don't even come finished! It's bare wood, so it looks worn just a few months after purchase. I feel this is a product that depends mostly on "snob appeal." The funny thing is, besides a few famous endorsees (who I assume get basses for free) it seems that the people buying these instruments are more hobbyists looking for that "dream instrument" than pros who need a solid workhorse. No offense is intended toward Forera owners. But if there's anyone out there more bonkers in regard to cost, let's hear it!

Certain things are a matter of practice and certain things are inate. For example, anyone can't just practice singing to the point where you can hit any note in any range. It's just impossible. If you're 5' 6" you can't practice your way to being a professional basketball player. Speed is also one of those things that some people have over others. It's anatomy to a degree. NOBODY can do everything. Some people are very skilled at many things but there are always some things they do better and there will always be things other people will do better. Musicianship isn't just about amassing technical prowess. it's about style. And I think that's great. it's what makes it interesting.

Donny was great. And Brad Delp who was one of the best rock and roll singers also suffered from depression and committed suicde.

You don't need to play legit piano to play some keyboards and/or use them to figure things out. And there are lots of reasons for not playing guitar or drums but you will forever struggle to communicate ideas to guitarists and drummers, or be able to create, perform or record such parts, even using midi software. These days that puts you at a pretty severe deficit.

It's an upfront sound and bass always sounds better when it's more audable. But a great tone? A little too distorted and hollow for me.

Every musician should play some piano and some drums. Every musician should have an understanding of chords, theory and rhythm. Every bass player should play some guitar since it's a sister instrument, and especially since any guitar player could play some basic functional bass, so every bass player should be able to play some basic functional guitar. There is no way it can hurt and no way it can't help. But wait...I'm sure they'll be someone who comes up with some excuse for that not being the case.

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[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1381846498' post='2244478'] Change my mind about what? It might be useful to the OP though, as he was asking for advice about how to play the song. You really do like arguing, don't you? [/quote] I love people who twist words, antagonize and goad then blame the person they direct it toward for arguing! Well done mate!

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1381841403' post='2244380'] Kind of depends what the "helpful information" is and how it is phrased. Also, does it actually help with the question that the OP is specifically asking? Your advice in this thread, good though it undoubtedly is, does not help someone who maybe has a couple of days to master the bass line on a cover version. And some of your own wording comes across as a bit "snotty" too (IMO). [/quote] Unlike YOUR comments? lol Please. My comments weren't about learning jazz to play Whitesnake or something being calculus or taking a course in theory by the weekend. Those are all conflating arguments to dismiss what is intended as helpful information. As for the OP's request, it STILL would help if he learned the chords. Yes, by the weekend. That would get him through the song better and at least be able to play proper fills, even if they aren't exactly what's on the record. Instead of looking for arguments and clever retorts, how about addressing the points? In the long run, learning modes will save hundreds of hours of confusion and open up all sorts of possibilities and it doesn't require years of university training. it's basic education. And yes, I could play that song. Big woop. Would posting a version of it really change your mind? Come on.

[quote name='OliverBlackman' timestamp='1381841517' post='2244383'] Dont know if this has been posted before. [url="http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/7-stages-of-gear-acquisition-syndrome-585947"]http://www.musicrada...syndrome-585947[/url] [/quote] That's perfect.

Geezus, can anyone take some helpful information without getting their panties in a twist and looking for ways to make a snotty comment?