Lowender

Wow, everybody's panties are a bit tight today. Hey, I stand by what I said. I answered your question and you're breaking my balls? Take the advice or don't. And yes, B has the same notes as Ab7 -- both have B, D# and F#. But the Abm7 has an Ab root. So if you play a B with an Ab in the bass, it's same chord. Next time, instead of trying for the snarky come-back, try listening. You might learn something.

The recording techniques of the time were very different. Less compression. The bass more up front. The drums were more open and therefore blended with the bass on another level. And what was played fit the style of the time. You can play John Paul John's bass to a Lady Gaga song and it won't song very "60's."

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1384706586' post='2279710'] A bit like expecting someone to add something positive and constructive. If you have nothing of your own to add to this thread, please feel free to take it elsewhere [/quote] That's pretty funny. My point was that one can't expect others to share the same views and that's okay. Interesting that you took that as so c negative. Maybe that says something about you, doesn't it? But thank you for your constructive contribution.

Picking a song and expecting everyone to like it is like inviting someone over to your house and expecting them to redecorate their place exactly like yours.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1384698997' post='2279587'] And? [/quote] What else do you need? I made a very clear point. It actually defended your choice. But I assume you either can't comprehend it, or just want to be difficult. Either/or is fine with me.

I think there's a lot of mixing of reviewing of the band and reaction to the band. A reaction requires no defense or explanation. It can be like a Benny Hill skit -- everyone knows it's just dopey, but if it makes you laugh, it succeeded in doing what it intended to do. That has more value than attempting Shakespeare and bombing.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1384620099' post='2278842'] I don't understand why skill is important anyway. This band are skilful, very tight, great dynamics, they care about the music. Whaddya want? A punky Snarky Puppy? w***er bar band? Nice that you have produced many w***er bar bands, did they sound good after you applied your magic? [/quote] When I say "skillful" I'm not talking about chops. I mean skillful as composers, players, lyricists, etc. And yes, I like to think that a band sounds better once I apply my knowledge to what they do. That's what an artistic collaboration is all about. If you don;t understand why skill is important than that explains a lot.

For starters, you should learn to understand what the tonic is and where the chord series begins. The piece is in Gb. You're starting on VI. You should also mark how many beats each cord plays. That will clarify where the changes come. e.g Gb///I////IEbm///I/// etc. Secondly, a B has the same notes as a Abm7. What determines the actual chord 99% of time is the bass note. As a bassist it's imperative to hear that. In this case, the bass is playing an Ab.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1384618644' post='2278818'] No you can't. [/quote] Well, maybe not ones that you like as much. But ones with equal skill. They do have the advantage of being produced so there's a slickness there. I've produced dozens of bands like that. In downtown NY, you'd see bands like that one after the other. I just see it as energetic amateurism. But again, if you like it you like it. Not everything I like is masterful. But I do require some melody or something interesting and original. That band just sounds like a w***er bar band to me. Sorry.

I like that they have a retro thing going on. I just don't think they're very good. You can see hundreds of bands like this in pubs, basements and garages every day. There's no composition skill. The playing is elementary. I remember as well as anyone what fun it was to bash away as a lad and still enjoy doing it and hearing it now and then. But these days I need a little more emotion other than rambunctiousness.

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1384470512' post='2277227'] Throw a ball at him, whatever hand he catches it with is his picking hand, if he doesn't catch it then maybe drums? [/quote] I think you have that backwards. Most people catch with the opposite had so that can grab the ball with the other hand to throw it back. Ever play catch? Having said that, everyone should just play right handed. There aren't left handed pianos.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1384353759' post='2275599'] I love my Squier VM, Its pretty much become my only bass now. I took the Fralin out of the CV P and took the neck off the CV Jazz lol. Now its not only lovely to look at, its very comfortable and familiar to play, with the tone ive been used to, and with the added Jazz growl/burp thrown in. [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebass5/10365241106/"][/url] [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebass5/10365241106/"]Squier Vintage Modified PJ Bass[/url] by [url="http://www.flickr.com/people/davebass5/"]Dave Pearce (London)[/url], on Flickr [/quote] So you like VM's as long as the neck and pups are replaced???

This works for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwhMw5lwzNg

I think there's no comparison between the American and Mexican. In fact, I'd take Squier CV over a Mexi any day.

It's been done a million times (mostly wrong) but here's a version with some embellishments. No vid. No breasts. Just music. : ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MVsY_9VLU

Seriously, if you want her to be judged beyond being an attractive female, then I'd say she's someone who can play bass like fifty million other people can play bass. Not a put down. She's fine. But what is she doing that everyone else in a decent cover band isn't doing? Answer: Looking good doing it.

[quote name='blamelouis' timestamp='1383686478' post='2267766'] Jazz elaboration ! 164 bars of explorative meandering please !! [/quote] lol!

[quote name='blamelouis' timestamp='1383658406' post='2267135'] Lazy answer. [/quote] How so? How much more elaboration do you need ?

[quote name='blamelouis' timestamp='1383656874' post='2267088'] We have a lazy can't be arsed society. Jazz requires effort and mental stretching so fuuck it let's go with xfactor. Same reason mcdonalds is popular ......lazy society. [/quote] I think it's imperious attitudes like that one which does more to eschew it than the actual laziness.

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1383579471' post='2266109'] Instead of looking at your piggy bank & shaking it about - you might have got a gig, formed a band, played to millions, had a rock & roll life style for 50 years, got old & grumpy & still have your old faithful P-bass to play - when the arthritis ain't too bad You can stick your piggy bank where the sun don't shine a P-bass won't fit [/quote] Why the anger?

Why do people still talk about how cheap the old Fenders were and if they'd only had hung on to them they would have made a great profit? In 1962 a Fender Precision ran for 250 American dollars. In today's economy that's $1800 -- slightly more than a new Precision bass. So in fact, they were MORE expensive than now. Of course, the rarity of the old Precisions has made them far more valuable. Very few other basses have increased in value. Try selling a 78 Ric or a 85 Thunderbird and it'll be unlikely you'll get as much as what they're going for new. So even had you held on to that Precision bass from '62 it'd be worth about $10,000 today. Not bad. But considering inflation, it would have taken you over 40 years to have made a whopping profit of around 2500 quid. . You'd be better off getting a piggy bank and putting a handful of pennies in it every day.

Gotta add Hofners. Never took them seriously, but what they do, they do in a very unique way.

I haven't read the whole thread so let me know if this has been mentioned. I think the two biggest components against jazz are this.... One, it is not the "beat" of this generation. Anyone under 50 did not have "swing" as the pulse that drove the soundtrack of their youth. Therefore, jazz is an acquired taste and without access (schools, radio, etc) it will likely not resonate to them. It's a foreign language. "Blends" of jazz are, for the most part, a commercial attempt at mixing genres which often leads to a compromise of both styles. There have been moments throughout the years , from Blood Sweat and Tears, to Return to Forever. But the Kenny G's muzak rubbish and the big band versions of Nirvana songs just comes of as false and forced. Jazz fans aren't fooled and Nirvana fans laugh it off. The second reason is the musicians themselves. Musicians get into jazz to learn, explore and expand beyond their current knowledge and playing capability. And for that reason, it can often get indulgent and indignant. Solos go on endlessly (talk about repetition!) and so many of the musicians think of themselves superior. The irony is, 9 out of 10 of them can not groove. When they play rock, it's corny. They aren't in touch with what makes other art forms great because they're too high on their own eliteness, and THAT turns people off. BIG TIME. I grew up with jazz and I play it but there are time i get sick of the jazz-hole attitude. Those are TWO reasons. I can elaborate.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1383519067' post='2265496'] I think this young woman is a fine player in these videos and I wish her every success, but it's also a perfectly valid observation that there is a [u]huge [/u]difference to playing at home in your bedroom to playing in front of an audience , even in the most modest of venues. . I had to learn that the hard way , and sounds like she has, too. The good news is that if she is struggling with that at the moment , all she probablyl needs is a bit more experience. Once again though , what I can't understand is why as soon as a moderately attractive woman picks up a bass she is immidiately feted as a sex symbol . I am genuinely interested if people would be so enamoured if she worked on the fish counter at Tescos. Do men[i] really [/i]crave someone who shares the same interests as themselves? Maybe I have high standards, but I wouldn't look twice at this girl . It is a very nice bass, though, so plenty of eye candy there. . [/quote] I actually don't think it has anything to do with playing the bass per sae. It's just that playing the bass, for the most part, is a gents game, so when an attractive women comes into the mix, suddenly the focus changes gears -- simply for the fact that now we're thinking about an attractive woman! And if she's a good player, there's an element of respect that goes along with it and that is sexy.

[quote name='norvegicusbass' timestamp='1383486130' post='2264893'] Lot of mean spirited comments here. I seriously doubt anyone who nailed a bass line on YT could take that onstage with the band themselves at short notice and give a good account of themselves. Nerves aside there are loads of other considerations here. Hell even bands themselves rehearse their OWN music for weeks before going on a tour. Hats off to that young lady. Beautiful and beautifully played especially as [b]she has been playing bass for about THREE YEARS.[/b] [/quote] Bingo. That sums it up. Today there are enough tools available these days that someone can learn certain skills very quickly if they put in enough practice. But there's something to be said about experience. Do a thousands gigs and you start to learn how to deal with the multitude of distractions that don't occur in your living room when making a vid. I'm at the point where a herd of elephants can stampede the stage and I'm going to hit the downbeat. This girl , obviously, isn't there yet. She would need rehearsal and a bunch of gigs under her belt and she'll still be young and probably be fine after that. BUT... you never know.