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This topic pops up every now and then and I think the simple summary is: They have the potential to sound great. People have tried to replicate them in one form or another but no-one has really nailed it yet. They were discontinued and are now both rare and highly sought after. Simple law of supply and demand means that they have shot up in value and continue to rise. Are they 'worth' £700? Depends entirely on your view of the value of things. If you want something that sounds like nothing else, isn't made any more and is wanted by lots of people then the answer is an unequivocal 'yes'. If you're upset about little metal / plastic boxes rising in price and are happy to find something that does a decent job of replicating one for way less money then it's a resounding 'no'. I'm voting with the former but unfortunately I can't justify this sort of money. I lashed out on a vintage Mu-Tron and love it but I don't really need a synth pedal for anything at the moment
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Little Mark History - Differences between Original, II & III?
molan replied to molan's topic in Amps and Cabs
[quote name='Iana' timestamp='1381937667' post='2245761'] Try an a/b with your AE210 and you will hear what I am talking about, that is one amazing little cab, especially if it is v2 [/quote] The 112H cab is brand new so it'll be he latest version. I've been running the basic combo against the AE210 today and it's really interesting to compare them. The Berg definitely goes deeper and he combo sounds a little boxy. However as you start boosting the volume the AE, to my ears, starts getting a bit boomy whilst the 112 combo starts really snarling and coming to life. For the rock band I'm in it sounds great with a fairly bright and aggressive sounding Sei bass -
Little Mark History - Differences between Original, II & III?
molan replied to molan's topic in Amps and Cabs
[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1381949930' post='2246009'] I had one of the all yellow heads. It has a transformer power supply as opposed to the II and iii which have SMPS and weighs about 15lbs as a consequence. I prefer the transformer version and wish I'd kept it. Frank. [/quote] That's interesting - so the original is 11lbs vs the II at about 6.5lbs? Why did you prefer the transformer version? -
Little Mark History - Differences between Original, II & III?
molan replied to molan's topic in Amps and Cabs
[quote name='Iana' timestamp='1381932590' post='2245678'] Good question, not sure there would be enough of an improvement to justify a large cost difference, having said that it would be newer, if you really want a Markbass combo the cmd121h might be worth a look, has a horn instead of piezo. Much much better [/quote] I was thinking of adding a 121H cab for gigging and just using the combo on its own for rehearsing -
Little Mark History - Differences between Original, II & III?
molan replied to molan's topic in Amps and Cabs
I've been looking at an original combo but haven't been able to find much info about what the changes were when the LMII came out. The one I've seen is a good price but I don't know if the II is worth the extra cost. -
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Little Mark History - Differences between Original, II & III?
molan replied to molan's topic in Amps and Cabs
[quote name='Marc S' timestamp='1381927222' post='2245561'] I use a markbass CMD102P - think it's the newer model? Not 100% sure as I bought it S/H and I think it's great [/quote] I think you can tell which model by looking at the front of the amp. Original just says 'Combo Head' and is completely yellow First update says 'Combo Head II' and is predominantly black with yellow writing Third version looks the same as second but says 'III' instead of 'II' -
I've been looking at some MarkBass combos for rehearsal use and wondered if anyone knows of significant differences between the original combo head which was replaced by the II series and then the III? From what I can make out the only difference between the II & III is a pre/post eq DI option but not sure about what the LMII offered over the original heads? Must a MarkBass guru here somewhere
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This is an amazing piece of kit with loads of potential applications. This one was previously used to run a, very cool, pedal board with a variety of mostly vintage pedals. It allows absolute "true bypass" when not using selected pedals and therefore doesn't degrade tone and keeps it pure. Each patch can be made to select any amount of the 6 loops and also adjust their level and/or even different outputs if you use two amps. The unit is in excellent condition, comes with the manual (although it's very easy to use) and has been serviced by GigRig. Also included is a new and unused power supply "GigRig Generator" which, as well as powering the Midi 8, can also power over 50 pedals when used with a cable hub such as the Gigrig Distributer. RRP on these is £649. It's listed here at below half price for £300 Please note this is listed on eBay as well so there's a limited time to buy on this. Here's what GigRig have to say about them: "[color=#000000]TheGigRig MIDI-8 is the ultimate floor based switching system designed to give you a level of control over your effects and amps that you've only ever dreamed about.[/color] [color=#000000]I believe that the signal that comes out of your guitar is precious. At TheGigRig we compromise on nothing to bring you some of the best gear on the planet, but don't take our word for it. Read the reviews and watch the demo. See what TheGigRig users have to say, and then show us what you can do. The Possibilities are endless!"[/color] [b]TheGigRig Pro/MIDI 8 features[/b] [list] [*]The MIDI-8's 6 True Bypass effects loops guarantee the best tone possible from your effects. [*]The 8 programmable pre-sets mean 1 step selection over any effects pedal combination you like. [*]An inbuilt optically controlled programmable class A amplifier takes care of volume mismatches from vintage style pedals and gives you easy solo boosts. [*]Choose any combination of 2 amplifier outputs without earth loops or phase problems. [*]Easy intuitive programming designed for tone lovers who use pedals, not computers. [*]Mode settings give you the ability to mix preset 'on the fly' for even greater flexibility. [/list][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3] GigRig Product page [url="http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/MIDI8.html#SID=13"]here[/url][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3] Generator page [url="http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/PowerPathDiagram.html#SID=24"]here[/url][/size][/font] PLEASE NOTE THE SALE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PEDALS IN THE PIC BELOW! This pic is from a previous owner and shows how he set it up to run his board [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Here's a little demo vid of how someone uses one as well:[/font][/size] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zizztbtm6M4
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PRICE DROP Fender CS 1960 Jazz (1997 Cunetto Relic, John Cruz built)
molan replied to paulie's topic in Basses For Sale
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I think it's interesting to compare the values of bog standard US Fenders with MusicMan. A new US Standard is around £1,250 whereas a Stingray is closer to £1,500. However, on the used market they are trading at pretty much the same price. If we take £750 as an 'achievable' price, purely for the sake of comparison, then the Fender is losing 40% from new (pretty much a market average for a lot of instruments) whereas the Ray has dropped 50%. I don't think this can be because there are more Rays around than US Fenders. Feels like it's simple market demand and that Rays are just a little less popular. I'm sure it wasn't that long ago that a Ray would almost always command a premium of £50 - £100 above its equivalent Fender but prices are a lot closer now. I don't know the history of the new market well enough to know if it's just recent thing in terms of depreciation but that extra £250 (even more if you go for some colours) must be hurting sales a fair bit.
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Yamaha Attitude - the Billy Sheehan signature bass, especially if you run each pickup into an individual amp. That neck woofer can sound huger than a very huge thing indeed if set up properly
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[quote name='gsgbass' timestamp='1381588406' post='2241065'] The Mesa sell only at MSRP. They are worth the bucks. Another good option to the Mesa, the [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xcjkEMY.gif[/IMG]. [/quote] Not in the UK, you can definitely buy Mesa at below RRP if you know where to look. In fact I think it's against EU regulations to price fix. Some of the new Mesa cabs are a fair bit cheaper than the older ones as well. They don't have the flash adjustable crossovers and there are some other design differences but it really helps in prices Happy to advise on pricing stuff if anyone wants to PM me
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BassGear have a few on trial if anyone wants to try one out
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[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1381583277' post='2240954'] Yes I had a good go on it there - way too much on it for my needs but the sound of this thing through a 1x12 Markbass cab was amazing. [/quote] I thought this sounded really nice through that MB 1x12. Had a quick play and it was fun. A lot less impressed when I heard it through a 'competitive' speaker brand (I won't name which or the flame-crew will be out very quickly, lol). Could be that it needs 'fine tuning' to match different cab setups though.
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New MusicMan prices have rocketed. It's not dealers trying to make a fast buck either, I've seen the trade prices Used values don't seem to have moved much but some, like the Classics, are holding values really well and sell quickly. As a new purchase I'd say the standard Ray is one of the fastest depreciating basses around. They can lose 50% of value very quickly even if kept in immaculate condition.
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[quote name='gafbass02' timestamp='1381662727' post='2241884'] To be read with a sense of whimsy. Not a rant. Gaf [/quote] I agree with so much of what you've said here Gaf. I've definitely been accused of not being to hear properly by BF owners in the past By complete chance I also have a lovely little Bergantino AE210 sitting right next to me as I'm typing this
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[quote name='Salt on your Bass?' timestamp='1381574689' post='2240764'] Wow, good luck with white!! I like to look after my gear as well but there's an ocd side to me that couldn't deal the fear of a white cab getting a mark!! [/quote] I had a pair of the white Aguilar DB112's, with a dark ox-blood grille, for a while Looked awesome on stage and never really picked up any marks that I remember. I did keep them in Aggie's own padded covers when moving them around though, way better than the cheapo aftermarket ones.
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[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1381494328' post='2239830'] Whats this? Another Bareface thead? [/quote] Brilliant
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[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1381491676' post='2239764'] Are you implying these people can't actually play bass and have been hiding behind their rumbly muffled 70s-type cabs all this time..? I'm quite sure that couldn't [i]possibly [/i]be the case! [/quote] I think that's exactly what some people think
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[quote name='mildmanofrock' timestamp='1381490033' post='2239732'] Each to their own and all that. To me, Barefaced cabs are staggeringly good. I'd wager that dissenting voices come from people that (a.) don't like the shock of hearing their pure bass tone (b.) are unused to the cabs' prominent mids. That may come from years of getting used to the mid-scooped tone present in many cabs. But, for me - nothing cuts through a band mix with such clarity and warmth. And if the cab's mids and highs are too much for your taste, simple - turn down the mids and highs a bit on your amp. [/quote] I'm not having a go at you but it's statements like this that I really don't understand. Lots, and lots, of people have tried BF and really don't like them - look at how many come up for sale in the classifieds. However, whenever anyone says they don't really like them there's always a stack if people saying those people must be hearing things incorrectly and/or they don't really know a good bass tone when they hear one. I just don't see how this could possibly be the case.
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[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1381488886' post='2239712'] Here's my guess: Listening to one brand against another in isolation (possibly in a shop) is no way indicative of how those cabs are going to sound at a gig in a band situation and at battle levels. I found that the S12 I was using sounded [i]absolutely[/i] perfect live, but on its own at home (for example) less so. But of course it's the sound 'in concert' which counts - unless you're Michael Manring, of course. Basschatters know well that the sound of a rig in isolation has [i]no [/i]bearing on how it will sound 'on the night', so to speak. [/quote] It was in a large room, not the shop, but was in isolation. I've always found BF to sound very 'forward' in isolation but have only heard one once in a band mix and it was a bit subdued. Loads of other stuff in the band mix though and it could just have been that it was low in the PA mix. My personal favourites of the lightweight cabs in a live band situation are the Aggie SL112's. I've heard a few people using these live and never fail to be impressed. However I know some people aren't keen on them and I think they are more sensitive to amp matching than the Berg equivalent. Just 'horses for courses' really
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[quote name='LeftyJ' timestamp='1381441925' post='2239337'] So does Rickenbacker. All 4000 series basses are 33 1/4 inch. [/quote] Amazing - I've played loads of Ricky's and never noticed they were shorter scale! I guess the overall ergonomics of a Ricky are so different to anything else that I've simply not spotted a different scale length. There's a V63 for sale at the shop I help at. Definitely going to try it in a new light when I'm back in next week Mind you, I can never play them without reaching for a pick, lol.
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[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1381441138' post='2239315'] Polarised is right. I borrowed a Super Twelve for a few months and I liked it very much. Not heard the 3rd Gen stuff yet, but I was blown away by the S12 and will be buying a BF cab ASAP. I can't imagine how anyone who's heard one wouldn't like it! Horses for courses and all that, I suppose. [/quote] I agree - lots of people on BC seem to really rate them so they must work for them. Meanwhile I saw a one demo'd recently against a well known brand and several people were pulling ugly faces because they didn't like the sound. It's this extreme polarisation that I don't understand really. Usually when you hear a few things back to back you'll get people preferring one brand to another because of smaller differences but with BF you seem to get this big love/hate thing going on. I've genuinely met people who were nearly frothing at the mouth about how much they dislike them but then here on BC there's obviously a huge love for BF. It does seem quite common for people to buy them and then sell again soon after so there must be some core tonal characteristics that just grate on certain people very quickly. You often see this with basses but not so much with cabs so that's what intrigues me I guess