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[quote name='jezzaboy' timestamp='1456777787' post='2992240'] I got mine last Friday. Just had to lift the bridge a couple of turns and it was good to go. As above the tuners are fine but I`m not sure about the sound of the single coil pickup. I was going to replace it with a MM pickup I have but to get this done would cost as much as the bass so that is out the window the now. The guitarist with the £3K Les Paul was impressed with the sound, especially when he found out the price! I have since replaced the tuners, bridge, knobs and screws with all black hardware and it looks the biz. I changed the parts as I had them lying about not because the original hardware wasn`t up to the job. Is it worth the money? Well I have owned several Squiers that cost 3 times as much and this is as good as them. [/quote] Have you got a picture of it with the black hardware? I've got a PB-50 coming on order, black hardware is one my options for personalising it a bit, so would be great to see yours.

That doesn't surprise me. That ad just gives the impression that whoever wrote it has a bit of the Arthur Daleys about them. Still, I doubt anyone looking to buy a g&l wouldn't have a good idea of what they are looking at.

I'm not close either unfortunately, luckily really, because I could be tempted and I shouldn't be spending money on this either. Thanks for giving that back info, I'll just stay an admirer rather than a buyer for now. Hopefully no-one gets taken in by the Leo Fender reference. It does make the seller look slightly dodgy to my eyes.

[quote name='Romeo2' timestamp='1456577885' post='2990421'] I know this bass (never seen it in the flesh though). In 2014/2015 a BCer going by the name UMEL started a thread about his dad having collected all these basses and guitars and he wanted to sell them to fund his dad's care - so that part of the story is true. I really, really wanted to buy it but he went online, chatted to some people on US forums (bassesbyleo forum I assume) and his asking price was more than what I wanted to pay, in fact higher that what it is in this listing now. [/quote] Is that still a good price for an LB100?

Strange ebay ad this, it looks to me that the advertiser has misunderstood G&L certificates of authenticity etc (case candy as we know it). It still looks like an amazing bass (I am a LB100 admirer ) but I'm not sure even the semi-devine Leo Fender could have made this Bass two years after he died. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331788286226?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Looks ok. I can make out the truss wheel. Looks like the seller is having a clearout of all his gear. Before handing over cash I would want to know the serial number, do a search on it in case its listed as stolen somewhere - that said it looks like the case candy and maybe the receipt is present in the case. I'd ask if he has the receipt. Also, join up on the EBMM forum and request the original spec from the serail number: http://forums.ernieball.com/ernie-ball-music-man-basses/1254-music-man-serial-number-database.html

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1456240912' post='2986938'] And the 'road wear' plus the thinner, quicker-wearing finish makes the roadworn basses that much more expensive? It would make sense to buy the Classic and 'road wear' it yourself... most effectively by gigging it! Saves a few hundred pounds, no? [/quote] Unfortunately the only unworn Nitro model comes in Black. I don't know if its just me, but poly doesn't look so good road worn - plus it would take about 50 years to get any natural wear on it!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1456240050' post='2986930'] This has been baffling me for some time. Does anyone know for sure? But they are both MIM, right? [/quote] Both MIM, on the Fender documentation, every component is the same except the neck and body finish.

[quote name='Highfox' timestamp='1456239627' post='2986920'] Maybe I made that up.. most people report the Roadworns being leightweight. I seem to remember reading somewhere maybe TB, that they used select dried woods for the resonance.. [/quote] Yeah, the only reference I've ever found about this is some guy on talk bass who said he'd talked to some guy etc. Could be true, but then if it was why wouldn't Fender say anything about it in any of their marketing material or spec sheets? There's basically a 300 pound difference in retail price, but to me this is easily explained by the extra expense of applying nitro to the body and neck and the man hours in the roadworn finish. In any case they are all really nice basses, mines certainly a keeper.

[quote name='Highfox' timestamp='1456238756' post='2986909'] I think they are slightly different, except for the black lacquer in your first link. The Roadworns to my knowlage are made from select light woods.. The 50's Classic arent. [/quote] Possibly. I've seen nothing to suggest a difference and all the spec sheets seem the same. Also my own 50s classic is very light, but it could easily just be a one off. Where did you get the information re select woods?

Just bought some Seymour Duncans from Colin. Super easy to deal with and rapid delivery. Satisfied customer!

[quote name='Marc S' timestamp='1456136695' post='2985637'] The quality, workmanship, finish and detail in both my Jazz, and my new P are superb I think if they were built to this quality but in mint / un-roadworn finish - they'd appeal to more players just down to the sheer quality, playability and feel of these basses... [/quote] Marc, they do make them unroadworn, in P basses at least, not sure about Jazz. In black Nitro: http://intl.fender.com/en-GB/basses/precision-bass/classic-series-50s-precision-bass-lacquer-maple-fingerboard-black/ In Red, Sunburst or Blonde poly: http://intl.fender.com/en-GB/series/classic/50s-precision-bass-maple-fingerboard-2-color-sunburst-gold-anodized-aluminum-pickguard/

Just got a Seymour Duncan SCPB 2 pickup from Mike. Easy transaction and well packaged - thanks.

That's been my experience with the compressors too - makes almost no difference. I think you'd have to use a separate compressor if you needed it. I don't think the channel volume models a power amp on the XT Live - its just to adjust levels between channels to when you switch you don't get volume changes. You might find something in the amp model settings (via gearbox) that does it or something similar. My favourites with the P bass are a slightly tweaked Clean Hiway channel (Hiwatt 200) and a tweaked 1968 Groove (B15). Are you running into a bass amp or a power amp? I've been wondering whether the XT would drive a power amp or not.

You need to adjust the channel volume if you are getting the clip indicator. I recall there is some advice in the manual on this, but boils down to adjust the channel volume down until you clip no more. Like you would the gain on a 'real' amp. How have you found the compressors? Got any favourite amp models yet?

[quote name='Skybone' timestamp='1454342748' post='2968735'] Cheers, I already have a B3 to fall back on, was just looking for other options. I liked the HiWatt & the Plexi for bass on my guitar PODxt. [/quote] I was guilty of not reading your post properly there, saying you already had the B3. I haven't used one of those, but from what I've read the compressors in those aren't too good either. If you go for the Bass pack for the XT, it would interesting to see how it compares to the B3. The Line 6 software is very easy to use once set up for customising the effects and presets. I have a feeling there are some free basic bass amp models available using the POD xt software - you'll need Line 6 Monkey and Line 6 Gearbox to see what's there.

[quote name='Skybone' timestamp='1454320990' post='2968460'] So I've been looking at various DI / Amp Modeller options, in the aim to "go ampless" for my bass-rig, I already have a Zoom B3, which is the benchmark, but is kind of limited if you want to add a few effects to an amp model. As the Bass PODxt Live seems like the proverbial rocking horse doings, I latched onto the idea of getting a "standard" guitar POD Live floorboard & loading the bass amp models onto it. I managed to score a second hand PODxt Live on eBay over the weekend, with the thought of adding some more scope to my sound by adding effects etc. Anyone ever tried it? I have a regular PODxt, and had a Bass PODxt a while ago, so actually have the bass amp/cab models backed up on my system somewhere. If I can't do that, then I can just buy the Bass Expansion Pack from Line6. Experiences / opinions on the Line6? (apart from the lack of development of their bass amp models/range). [/quote] I have exactly this setup - I pretty much use it as a headphone practice amp and for recording. I got it initially for guitar and got the expansion pack to convert it. Things to consider: The guitar version doesn't have a DI out - so factor in getting a DI box if you need that. Using the line out is fine for me and I have a pedal with a DI to use in the chain if I ever needed to. The other difference is the Guitar XT Live has a bigger memory bank - which is good. The models and effects - you will obviously find loads of reviews on the net on the models themselves. Some of the models are very good, others lame. I like the B15 and HiWatt models a lot, many including the SVT style just don't seem to cut it. Being a pretty old system, there haven't been any updates or development for a long time. The built in compressor is truly rubbish, it really just doesn't seem to do much at all - something else to consider if that is important to you. Lastly, unless the cost has come down the bass models are more than the cost of buying some of the multi-effects now on the market. Its also a big heavy beast to be gigging with compared to say a Zoom B3. But maybe its rugged construction is a good thing in many situations. Good luck with it, whatever way you go.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1453420397' post='2959472'] It's a shame fender don't say. It's all a bit conflicting info. I suspect the road worns are wound different to other models but might be the same as some other reissue series. It's clear that fender put more effort into them anyway. [/quote] I found a link to some good info about these basses while looking for some specs on another site. It seems I need to apologise to fender, because all the relevant info was on their support site. Basically the MIM Classic 50s series is listed as using the American Standard PIckup part nos 0056004000 (+3000). Same pickup listed for the American Standard and the Highway One. The MIM Standard Precision is listed as having a the MEx pickup under a different part number. I don't know how up to date these service diagrams are, noting that the MIM 50s roadworn series isn't present, unless you just assume the roadworn is part f the 'Mexican Classic 50s series'. http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/p_bass/013-1702A_SISD.pdf http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/bass_guitars/019-3200_02A_SISD.pdf

[quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1454164152' post='2967113'] It wouldn't be the first time that a new manufacturing facility has upped its game over time. Mexican Fenders and the Gretsch Electromatic range spring to mind. [/quote] I took a look at some youtube vids of the Mexican fender factory. There is a massive difference there over the last 15 years. They've gone from using wooden jigs and had tools to mostly cnc and other automated processes. It looked on a par with the heart in the US factory. It must have made a massive difference in quality, I wonder exactly when that change occurred? I also remember what people said about the Japanese and Korean instruments when I was a kid. People recognise the quality of those instruments now. It only takes a few duff products or poor initial production to trash a reputation though.