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[quote name='Jimryan' timestamp='1353098428' post='1871711'] Went ok...Ish (not really). [/quote] Sorry it didn't go better. You think you can contain the annoyed feelings for a few months and steer this towards where you want it? Seems to me the guitarist and singer are very attractive additions once this works. best, bert

[quote name='MartyBRebelMC' timestamp='1353002767' post='1870417'] Seeing Alex's response makes me think you'd actually do very well with a Barefaced Midget T if money's no object. It's small light and can go very loud if you need it for gigging, I used to have a Midget along with Barefaced Compact and inadvertently did a pub gig useing just a Midget (I forgot to plug the Compact in!)... handled it no problem! [/quote] Yeah, I think you're right. It's clearly heading that type of way. Gives me the flexibility to go out and play and there's a very good chance I'll love it at home with the Bongo and such. [quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1353004848' post='1870444'] Just looking at EQ is not the whole solution - the loudness curve by its nature means that dynamics are very important, the louder it is overall the better you can hear the quieter parts of a note. [/quote] Yeah, I see your point, and concur out from my Hi-Fi background. In addition, I think a large element cone hardly moving should physically have trouble with details due to lack of stiffness and lack of exact control by the amp. My guess is that [i]averagely[/i] one would do better with a smaller cone moving more. At home, I'm positively surprised by both my 112 and 110, and wouldn't dare taking the risk buying a 118. Unless I'm "correctified" on this of course. [quote name='funky8884' timestamp='1353103818' post='1871782'] Do you sleep with your Bass too ? [/quote] You should really be above such stupid questions. [i]Everyone[/i] sleeps with their basses - in bass sandwich even. Bluejay has admitted which specific need she'd use the Corvette's horn for, and me, myself am admitting nothing as to my Corvette's horn! [i]Nothing![/i] (Don't even think of getting me started on the headless bass.) [quote name='Damian1727' timestamp='1353116279' post='1871896'] Have a peek at a CURT EMERY BASS BABY xx [/quote] Whoah! That's my Little Bastard in the For Sale forum as of this very minute! Plus [b][i]n[/i][/b] years! This is not bedroom stuff but living room stuff! Happily all my gear is in the living room ... Er ... [b]is[/b] the living room. Thanks, guys! best, bert

Hey Yoseph, Welcome to the surface. Just make sure we can find you, and your credibility stands a good chance. Please share some wisdom and don't hide in the backroom of BC as well. Enjoy! best, bert

[color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color] Thanks for your continued contribution, guys! Here's some response to some of it: [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1353066243' post='1871120'] It's a good idea in theory, but youtube clips are gonna sound like the speakers you're playing them through. [/quote] Good point, but imho not a big problem. One can judge a lot of stuff through limited speakers. It's the difference between the signals that is telling. For example, it is quite easy while watching a tv programme to notice that the recording being played has great sound quality even though the tv set's speakers are very limited. [quote name='Jack' timestamp='1353081279' post='1871447'] I know you think we're just being difficult [/quote] Er... You don't know, and I don't think. [quote name='Jack' timestamp='1353081279' post='1871447'] but this is actually a really hard and subjective thing to do. [/quote] ... but maybe a trifle condescending? Hard and subjective just are not limitations, imho. Rather interesting instead. [quote name='Jack' timestamp='1353081279' post='1871447'] most companies now produce product demo videos and put them on youtube. Maybe try looking through several from the same manufacturer? [/quote] Fantastic idea. Never even crossed my mind. Thanks! [quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1353087680' post='1871580'] I see what you're getting at to some extent, but in order to advise it requires a thorough knowledge of all the products in the range from a singular perspective. Like I said, one mans 'woolly and undefined' is another mans 'warm and fuzzy' - one mans 'crisp, clear and bright' is another mans 'harsh, clinical and lacking in bo**ocks!' [/quote] Yup, and I think these things are major drawbacks of what I inquired about. [quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1353087680' post='1871580'] As an example, I have absolutely no idea what GRP-brand West-coast popjazz sounds like, so the reference means nothing to me. I don't listen to much classical either so I don't have the faintest idea whether to buy Infinity or B&W speakers. It can help, to some extent but can also often be completely misunderstood... [/quote] Yeah, but you did get the gist, and that's what it is about. PS, I think you'd like the more newfangled plasma speakers from the last decade, but beware: they burn GAS! best, bert

Edit: written before Brensabre's last posts, so my reference to science is not a response to his. Thanks for the contributions, folks. For me this is not about science. Simply put, it's mostly about help for noobs and others who have no substantial gear experience. As long as people can talk about "that typical <brand> sound" and be understood by many others, one can also put words to it in such a way that more people get to grips with what is talked about. In my Hi-Fi days, we'd advise Infinity speakers for people who loved GRP-brand West-coast popjazz. People who'd just play classical music would be advised to rather buy Bowers &amp; Wilkins. Also, we'd be able to put to words how these speakers would respond to different instrument constellations and amps. Surely something of the same goes for bass amps without denying the implications of different basses and different playing techniques. Alternatively, how about if people post links to say YouTube vids when they come across something that really shows "that typical <brand> sound". Us noobs would be greatly helped, I'm sure. best, bert

Personally I'd not forget looking at small bass combos. They're likely to have a lot of functionality that is nice for bassists, like aux input, headphone output, effects send/return and EQ adapted to the bass's spectrum. That and a handle! Of course it all depends on your needs, but I just wanted to make sure this aspect wasn't lost. One of mine (the HB) cost only 85 quid, and is probably a steal. Good luck with chosing! best, bert

Hey Joker, Computer says NO!!! Welcome to BC, and keep on enjoying it. Sadly, a real instrument won't cut it, as you probably lack the prowess to appreciate the differences between the real instruments. You're only gonna be a loser like me who uses lotsa money on stuff without grasping why. Don't be me! For the rest, enjoy your stay! best, bert

Hi Respector (cool name!) Welcome to the folds! Anti-social, distrustful, degenerative loser? Man, you're the very condensate of what we are. You won't fit in - you [b]are[/b] us! Anyway, enjoy the site su'more and don't be a stranger. best, bert

Hey Brensabre, Thanks, man! Yeah, even though much of this was known to me (I must have been unclear) this was much helping indeed - especially your remarks about brand differentiation and its repercussions on different brands. I get "tubey" and "ss", and I get Hi-Fi. What I don't get is what people mean with "that typical <brand> sound". So I was thinking along the lines of a stick list with short characteristiscs of the gear that often is discussed here, say: Gallien Krueger: sounds like <this> Genz Benz: - Shuttles: sound like <this> - Streamliners: sound like <that> tc electronic: sounds like <thusly> except the rh750 which is more like <such> The real question is: "is BC served with such a list, is it doable, and will it work?" best, bert

Ah! Great! Thanks very much for the response, guys! Martin, I buy that idea of an EBS immediately, but thought the TCE BH250 had "that tc sound". Could one say it's one of the really Hi-Fi ones? Alex, I see the point of that active monitor. But, if I understand this correctly, I can also just get the Barefaced cab I want anyway (no honey here - just a fact), and a little Hi-Fi head with good EQ. Can I? In case I could buy a Hi-Fi gig set and use it at home as well. I do want to go out and play with my buddy's band eventually. WWH, I'm sure the tech21 is great, but I already have 1 guitar combo and 2 bass combos. Also the Little Bastard set sound bee'ootifully with a guitar. Right now I want a separate head and cab, and experiment with different types of connections. Want to experiment and learn. Thanks again! best, bert

IMHO, the Ashdown Little Bastard 30W with an Ashdown LB-112 cab sounds wonderful at low volume. But I'd like a second little rig with totally different sound for experimenting and learning. So I aske thee: Does a lightweight (max 20 kg per unit) little head/cab set exist that sounds very different than my Ashdown set, say really Hi-Fi, and that will start sounding great even at very low volume? Listening to a TC Electronic BH500 with BC212 cab, I seemed to notice it needed quite some volume before starting to sound well. From experience in home Hi-Fi equipment, I suppose the same will go for a lot of amps/cabs. Within reason, price is not really an object, as I'll just save until I can afford it, and I'm quite good at that. Thanks for any help! best, bert

So I'm used to expecting (from a bass amp at least) that a tube amp has tubey sound and that an hi-fi style amp has this revealing character that shows the wonderfulness of a good bassist, and bluntly exposes me. So far so good. But then, people rave about or dislike amps that have "that typical GK sound" or "that typical TC Electronic sound". This far not good anymore. So, is there any web-resource or thread here that gives the skinny on this subject matter, as in how different brands or series sound, or what their sound design is about? I've done quite some searches, but haven't found a dedicated thread, and else feel the info is much scattered, and often very unclear for a noob like myself. Worthy a thread? Sticky? Doable? best, bert

Terrible technique - - Check! Bass player - - Check! Great (as in overweight) - - Check! The answer is [i]BassTractor[/i]. What did I win? Seriously though, bad technique is what limits you or hurts you, as expressed before. I have no idea about bass players, but as an organist I'm trained to hear other organists' technique, including fingering, through their playing, and it's very often quite revealing. As an example, one can often easily hear it if an organist has practised the piece on a pneumatic organ before playing it on a mechanical one during the concert. The techniques used might be perfect for the pneumatic organ, but in that case are telling (and limiting/bad) on the mechanical one. In popular music, we have this fun thing called "style", which often is the result of the limiting capacities of the players' technique and imagination. Some great music has come out of that tiny window, so I wouldn't care about it too much, [b]and certainly not close it[/b]. best, bert

[quote name='StephenFerguson' timestamp='1352904239' post='1869149'] The crowd are also the same people who bought mr blooby and crazy frog. [/quote] Hehehe. Right now I feel like one lucky bastard for not having any idea what mr blooby is, and only a vague reminiscense of crazy frog. As to Mustang Sally, as indicated before by others, it's all about how you play it. Some lazy buggers standing like salt sacks and barely playing it up to speed is murder-type killing, especially if the D.i.C.K uses the ugliest sound in the cheap synth to do the brass parts. But an inspired version with strong beat and drive, and a really personal touch, can be killer. Imagine what a keyboardist with a filthy Hammond can do with this track, changing it each and every performance. Lots of space for a bassist as well, so I can't see any problem other than that it's not Gentle Giant or Zappa. best, bert

Hey CT, As Bluejay says. Sorry I can't welcome you, as the mobile site is down. Better luck tomorrow! BTW, enjoy the site, and don't be a silent partner! (Don't snore either for that matter.) All the best, bert

Hey Mikey, Welcome to BC, or rather to its surface. Guitars seem like a nice easy start for people aspiring to take it up a notch to bass later. Good luck with the sale, and don't be a stranger. best, bert

Hey Peter, Welcome to the fold. On here, I gather introductions aren't necessary as much as appreciated. Have fun with the band as well as here on BC. best, bert

Hey Anton, Welcome to the fora. Enjoy the site and the banter, but please don't spend your love on me. Rather use it on Eunice Gayson, Daniela Bianchi, Martine Beswick or, should you prefer her, Karoline Wilhelmine Charlotte Blamauer. best, bert

Twas worth a lot. Thanks for posting that. best, bert

Can anyone describe the difference in sound between these two, please? best, bert

I'm afraid there's not a lot to my post either. Just: HAVE FUN !!

[color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color] Now that was sacrilege if I ever sawrit: [quote name='pietruszka' timestamp='1352799251' post='1867452'] If you're wanting a challenge, try dead goon by [size=6][b]mr bungle[/b][/size]. Ok, if you want a challenge for your self, [/quote] Fixed. No font size below 24 when they're mentioned, remembah? best, bert

Alyctes said it better than I would have Welcome aboard! As a bedroom player, you need 3 rigs and 5 basses. Minimum. It's the rules, ya know. Enjoy the site! all the best. bedroomplayerbert

Hey BF, Welcome to BC! I hope it will be rewarding for you. As to getting to know everyone: good luck. Apparently there's more than 21,000. But come over and grab a cuppa anytime. Enjoy the banter and sometimes exchange of info. best, bert