Quatschmacher
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Here's my revised version. I've panned the original more to the left and my version to the right. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1npfteLJDKg2lO7kX9L8HlLs4ACO0rDLv/view?usp=sharing
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The index is pretty thorough and if that doesn’t work, it’s a PDF so you can keyword search using ctrl+F.
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Just linking to this as it is relevant here:
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Just linking to this patch I made which came up in a discussion elsewhere yesterday:
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No. I read manuals as part of deciding whether to buy certain products. Agreed, Boss manuals do lack detail often.
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Another instance of where reading the manual helps. The on-screen keyboard is velocity sensitive: play it near the bottom for high velocity, near the top for low velocity. Also, volume response of a given patch is dependent on what the amp and filter envelope settings are.
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I’ll have another listen to it later today and record a new clip. As I said in the post you just quoted, it’s about have precise independent control over the attack, decay and sustain portions of the envelope. C4 mostly only allows control over either attack or decay, or where it does allow control over both, they are linked so that adjusting one also adjusts the other. C4 doesn’t have an adjustable sustain stage either. In this patch there is a perceptible attack time giving a short “bwah” kind of sound and then the filter envelope decays a bit but remains relatively open (regulated by the sustain stage), i.e. higher than the initial cutoff value, whereas the C4 nearly always decays straight back to the cutoff value set by the frequency knob. That’s why full ADSR is superior and why I pushed Andras so much to add it to the FI.
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There’s nothing too crazy going on in the patch - single sawtooth oscillator, no resonance. The main work is in having precise control over the attack, decay, and sustain stages of the envelope and the envelope depth. I then added some internal EQ to boost the low end. After I recorded this clip I tweaked it a bit further as I didn’t think I’d quite got it.
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One could easily hook up to a FaderFox product and have all the physical dials one could wish for. Also, in the MIDI map there is a parameter which allows one to change what the two control knobs are assigned to on the fly so one has access to potentially 128 knob choices.
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Seems we write similar things at the same time.
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If you’re only using a limited number of sounds (or even if you’re not) you can use a mobile device plugged into the USB port to change patches on the C4 which overcomes the lack of display. The advantage of a MIDI controller is being able to jump to specific patches without having to scroll through the list. Anyway, this is a bit off-topic and mightbe more usefully and thoroughly discussed on the C4 thread. What do you think to the accuracy of the patches?
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Yes and yes (but not via WiFi - needs a USB cable).
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Definitely easier to get closer with the FI.
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@Al Krow, here you go, C4 here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-4iDvVBcznF2RPZKFsEQfdugkJlBbHbo/view?usp=sharing Here on FI: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FsP2kAyLlJQLmhfoYRN0v12hl3w8PQxr/view?usp=sharing
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Sounds pretty straightforward, like a single sawtooth but with something maybe beefing out the bottom end. Not sure if the C4 envelope shape choices will capture it though; FI would probably though.
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Excellent! Thanks for sharing.
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Love it when I discover the original source of tunes from my youth and find they are superior to the one I know.
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@Gradenko, @AinsleyWalker -
Spotted them on the Ernie Ball Musicman shop but it was a US-only exclusive. That at least established their existence as a product so I did some ferreting around, noticed that Strings Direct had the assemblies so sent them an enquiry. It took a while to get them but they should have them directly in stock now.
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I’ve included direct links in the amended original post.
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Sorry, that was my mistake! I shared both the FI and C4 versions of this patch on the respective C4 and FI platforms: https://auraplug.com/fidatabase2/downloads/only-on-paper/ https://neuro.sourceaudio.net/preset/ZzaOJACaMw https://neuro.sourceaudio.net/preset/U1nCGeVgKY
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Here’s an interesting exercise: same line played on a Moog Subsequent 37, C4 and FI. Sadly I didn’t match the volume levels properly which makes it seem like the FI is weaker than the others. https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/DQbpZBKtTppoppVY8 https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/uu1Ky3v1iDc4ujH67 https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/ReySVmgchkcLcups5
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Nathan’s videos with the FI are old v2 ones. The tracking and sound possibilities have been greatly enhanced since then. What do you mean by “basic synth sounds”? Bear in mind, some lines on records are made using polysynths in unison mode which allow the stacking of many oscillators on a single note (up to 48 in the case of a 16-voice, 3-oscillator synth). Neither the C4 or FI will be able to get close to that kind of craziness.
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It’s not so much quick jumps. It’s possible to play pretty fast semiquaver lines, the key is to make sure the previous note is muted before following note is struck. The only artefact as such is a product of the FI’s fast tracking: it spits out the last-played note as soon as a trigger is detected but the time it takes for the pitch information to be read is slightly longer (as it needs to “see” a full waveform before pitch can be determined), so you sometimes hear a pitch blip as it jumps to the correct note, this is more noticeable with bigger intervals.
