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[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1404127447' post='2489465'] This has all got very complicated. So to summarise... Discreet had an NBD thread relating to his new Limelight bass. WoT had a similar thread. I made a few comments on WoT's thread which, in hindsight, were not in the appropriate place. I acted on advice given, and started another thread which underwent a couple of title changes due to the fact that I was not 100% sure what the actual subject matter was! Many posts were made in that thread, and as a result of it (seemingly) the guy who makes Limelight basses made a decision about the branding of his basses. That was brought to our attention by Discreet in [b][i]this[/i][/b] thread. Despite Karlfer's accusation, I did [b][i]not[/i][/b] have (and [i][b]do[/b][/i] not have) an "agenda". I stated this clearly in the thread that [b][i]I[/i][/b] started. But some people do not read all of a thread before contributing. And to think that [i][b]I[/b][/i] was accused of being "easily offended"!! [/quote] Completely agree. As one of those who suggested a new thread was a good idea (to stop poor Michaels NBD thread descending into chaos!) I think your intentions were purely objective (No agenda!) and I have enjoyed reading yours and others views on the subject as a result of this thread. Marks decision to change his business plan was probably already made and this has simply given him clarification that it was the right decision. It was a matter of time before this turned into a verbal brawl because of a few people who don't read the thread properly and go in all guns blazing... Isn't that what Basschat is all about?! :-P

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1404028998' post='2488548'] The cycle of GAS is eternal. [/quote] Not for us all! I've decided my limelight will be my penultimate bass. I know what I like now and I've decided that my next (and final!) bass will be a custom build and then that'll be the end of it. After my limelight shows up and I've given samples to anyone who wants them, I'm going to spend more spare time engaging with music (home recording, practicing more, writing again etc) and leaving this forum for good (as it seems to be my biggest distraction and only cause of GAS!) :-)

[quote name='JamesBass' timestamp='1403990158' post='2488403'] Still waiting for someone with a limelight P to upload some tones getting seriously itchy over ordering my own! [/quote] Looks like you'll be waiting til I get mine. I'll PM you if I'm the first to get something recorded with a link :-)

One nighters for me. The adrenaline is the thing that swings it for me but also getting to meet a lot of new musicians rather than the same guys and songs all the time :-) if I had the choice, it's be reading gigs every time. Always great fun!

Had a word with the guys from Dunlop who kindly gave me one to try. Really impressive and it's nice that it uses a 9v input and has an internal power double to 18v, so no faffing with about trying to find an 18v power supply or a power brick :-) looks cool and is compact compared to my Aggy TH. Awesome preamp for the money and I reckon I'll be getting one.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1403911575' post='2487761'] And the best bit is: the world hasn't ended because it has a Fender logo on it [/quote] The world hasn't ended?! They lied to us!! (That TKS cab is LARVELY by the way ;-))

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1403853277' post='2487016'] Jeans, Next, Gucci. They are of no importance to ME. I have bought many Fenders in the last 39 years. They do not currently provide a reasonably priced bass in the specifications I would like. Somebody else does. Yes I would like it with Fender on the top because it is a homage to one of their earlier instruments that I adore. Can't afford real or custom shop. I am not buying it to make a profit, I'm buying it for Me to gig. The aesthetics are for ME. Most luthier built instruments you will lose money on. That isn't an issue for me. I would have bought this instrument from Peterbuilt except they do not put Fender logos on. I really don't give a monkey's wang about anybody else's thought's about how shallow I am. [/quote] I'm with ya mate!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1403811014' post='2486777'] They probably wouldn't know a bass from a guitar if the truth be known. [/quote] That's if they even realise I'm with the band... 'Whos that guy lurking in the corner behind the band?! What a weirdo!'

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1403808716' post='2486744'] Particularly for me (selfish yes) as I posted my cheque late last night and he will get it tomorrow. [/quote] PM'd dude!

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1403803706' post='2486672'] I just don't get the obsession with having to have a Fender logo. Can someone please explain it to me. [/quote] For the exact same reason that you insist on not having a bass with a Fender logo on it... Because you think it's cool.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1403803174' post='2486665'] If you want a Fender decal on the headstock of your bass then surely you should buy a Fender. If these Limelight basses are all they are cracked up to be doesn't it make more sense for them to be be branded "Limelight" instead of pretending to be something they are not? [/quote] Does it really matter if you're not interested in them anyway?

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1403796189' post='2486529'] Please quote the original bit I quoted before you selectively quote me! I said that he couldn't buy a Warmoth, Allparts, Mighty Mite neck with a logo on it. And he can't! Of course Fender can sell you a neck with Fender on it! [/quote] Which totally invalidates your point about buying a fender decal'd neck and fitting it to a non-fender body...

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1403795737' post='2486514'] You can't buy them with a decal. Fender won't even sell you a decal to use on a restoration job. [/quote] I'm sorry but you're wrong. I have the official 2014 Fender catalogue in front of me and you can buy a fully decal'd Fender Jazz or Precision neck straight from Fender. The prices online are in dollars but my catalogue has them in pounds with relevant UK EAN/UPC codes so they are available to purchase and fit to any bass body or parts that I like. http://www.fender.com/store/precision-bass-necks/

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1403795437' post='2486504'] Allparts pay Fender a fee to be allowed to make necks with the Fender headstock shape. They are made to allow those us clumsy bass players to replace a damage neck on our beloved Fenders. Even then, if that bass is sold again the seller should say that the neck is a non-Fender replacement, even if it is authorised. However - if you, me, whoever buys an authorised Fender neck made by Allparts and sticks it on an authorised Allparts Fender body, and then adds a Fender decal and even adds genuine Fender pickups, tuning heads, 'plate etc etc, it is still not a Fender. It has not been made by Fender. Now that's fine if it is for your own use, but the moment you try to sell it as a Fender, then you breach the Trade Marks Act and the Copyright Patents & Designs Act. Fender don't even supply logos / decals to Allparts / Warmoth etc. They keep those for their own replacement necks. [/quote] If that is the case, why do fender let me buy an official Fender neck with fender decal via the official Fender website so that I can fit it to whatever I like? http://www.fender.com/store/precision-bass-necks/

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1403794615' post='2486491'] As long as it's bolted onto a genuine Fender body as an authorised replacement. Not otherwise. [/quote] Can you just tell me where it states that has to be the case?

[quote name='gsgbass' timestamp='1403751822' post='2485934'] My Gibson EB 2014 with TC E gear. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/23HIyYB.jpg[/IMG] [/quote] Nice! I look forward to seeing next week's rig ;-) Fender and Markbass? :-P

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1403788147' post='2486387'] OK fair enough. Those of you who did order a Limelight bass built to your spec why did you have a Fender logo put on it? [/quote] For the same reason that any bass has a logo decal on it. Thats how the maker makes them. Whilst I asked for a specific neck profile and colour scheme and amount of relicing, I was also under the impression that both the limelight and fender logo would be present as the instrument was purchased with the intention of being a faithful reproduction of a specific vintage '64 Fender precision bass by Limelight guitars.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1403786583' post='2486342'] Oh yes indeed!! Hmmmm. Yes, I guess it has in a way. But I think the THREE NBD threads relating to his basses in the last few days has also contributed to that... It's a difficult one. I can see that he is doing a great job in a really cool niche of the market, but there is just something that doesn't quite sit right for me. Maybe I am not phrasing it very well though [/quote] I must point out that I didn't mean you specifically. There's just content in this thread that is too personal for my liking. Your views on it are objective and interesting :-)

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1403786044' post='2486325'] I see no witch hunt... We are discussing the issues around a manufacturer making copies/tributes/facsimiles... (call them what you will) of a well known range of basses. Isn't that what bass guitar forums are for? However, in hindsight I can see how the thread title may be seen as provocative. I will change it for that reason. [/quote] Like I said, a general discussion is something is be really interested in. I'd find it interesting to read peoples views but this has turned into a discussion about marks business not the general issue of copyright/relic instruments...

Mark is not the first (or only) person to have built a business like this and he won't be the last. I don't see why a more general discussion about relic'd instruments and copyright had to turn into a witch hunt for one persons business...

It'd be interesting to hear Molan's view on it. Bassgear have sold Nash basses and they are essentially the same thing (not just Limelight)... http://www.bassgear.co.uk/product/nash-jb63/

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1403781357' post='2486220'] I remember reading all the PRS -v- Gibson stuff. Functionality didn't come into it. Gibson lost because their lawyer famously told the Court "Only an idiot would get confused at the point of sale" on account that the PRS Single Cut and the Gibson Les Paul are actually very different and have their own names on the headstocks and the different shapes. Point of Sale doesn't have to be from a shop - it can be any subsequent sale as well. But the Limelight ones use Fender's proper logo and headstock shape. I can't imagine that scribbling Limelight on the back in biro would be enough. I don't like it. It's too easy for the next owner to remove the Limelight bit and try and flog it as a proper Fender. [/quote] That would be a fair comment IF Mark didn't list the basses specifically as Limelight instruments, not include any dating stamps on neck/body or pots AND included close-up shots of the Fender decal in the photos of he listed item. Mark does none of this and is very clear that you are not buying a Fender. You really would have to be an idiot to think you were. As for resell 'fraud', that's not really an argument. I could buy a Squier bass and put a Fender decal on and sell it as a Fender. There nothing Squier can do about that, I'd be responsible.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1403776923' post='2486154'] What do you suggest? Rhythm Stick? [/quote] Haha. Sex on fire?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1403776519' post='2486143'] Doh! I knew someone would say that!! [/quote] If you want to be really picky, we should all play the same thing for samples ;-)

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1403776004' post='2486133'] My new Status Half-Wounds haven't arrived yet... should I record some sound files with the stock roundwounds? I don't know what they are - generic 45-105 rounds... a bit too bright and boingy for me. [/quote] A before and after (ie rounds and flats) would be good :-)