AI in music

[neepheid]

55 minutes ago, edstraker123 said:

I really don't but obviously didn't intend to be insulting. If you get joy from music crafting songs and performing them with your friends AI doesn't change that at all. Why should the joy from music creation only come from the way a particular group define it to be ? The processes are different but the end point is the same. 

 

It's the concept which I find insulting, I didn't mean you were personally being insulting to me directly.  Sorry for the ambiguity.

[BigRedX]

25 minutes ago, 12stringbassist said:

I don't mind the idea of the use of AI to actually help to shape a sound, but when it comes to any actual performance aspect, it should come from a human.

 

The drum and some of the synth parts for when my band plays gigs aren't "performed" by a human. Although I've done the programming, there was very little playing or performance involved. Most of it involved dragging "notes" around on a grid until I got the parts I wanted. Also most of the programmed synth parts are pretty complex but have lots of repetition. From previous experience we would struggle to find a keyboard player with the required technical ability to play them, regardless of the fact that on their own the parts are rather boring. IMO it's far better to hand these off to a machine that won't complain about them, and doesn't take up lots of additional room on stage or in the band transport.

[Al Krow]

18 minutes ago, neepheid said:

 

Don't do that.  The title of this thread is "AI in music", so let's keep it relevant?

 

And no, I have never used ChatGPT.  I have no desire to either.  I've got a brain, and despite what my frequent word salad spewed around here might suggest, it's reasonably competent at times 

 

Yeah but what we're facing is a subset of AI impacting all our lives - the wider point provides the context for this discussion. So, for me, it's entirely relevant and, as musos, I don't feel we can say "it's ok to be using AI in X, Y and Z because it doesn't impact me guv and I'm very happy to use it when it's someone else's job on the line, but not in music", and then expect anyone to give us a fair hearing? 

 

At the end of the day our fates are going to be decided by what other humans want to use / pay for / listen to. I think kite-marks of authenticity (e.g. ai assisted) have got to be a way forward and that's a pressure point we can and should be pushing the industry to adopt?

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Al Krow

[neepheid]

1 minute ago, Al Krow said:

 

Yeah but what we're facing is a subset of AI impacting all our lives - the wider point provides the context for this discussion. So, for me, it's entirely relevant and, as musos, I don't feel we can say "it's ok to be using AI in X, Y and Z because it doesn't impact me guv and I'm very happy to use it when it's someone else's job on the line, but not in music", and then expect anyone to give us a fair hearing? 

 

At the end of the day our fates are going to be decided by what other humans want to use / pay for / listen to. I think kite-marks of authenticity (e.g. ai assisted) have got to be a way forward and that's a pressure point we can and should be pushing the industry to adopt?

 

 

I know, but I think it was a low blow to take my specific objection to Generative AI in the music context then frame it as some sort of argument about being against doctors getting help to identify cancer.  Frankly, I was a little disappointed by that and it made me sad - I think you took that too far.

[SimonK]

I suspect the effort that it may take to get AI to write a hit single might be similar to the effort of a person writing it from scratch...

 

But for remastering/recording/adding instrumentation I think it is a tool that is here to stay, and sadly will take people's jobs.

[Al Krow]

14 minutes ago, neepheid said:

 

I know, but I think it was a low blow to take my specific objection to Generative AI in the music context then frame it as some sort of argument about being against doctors getting help to identify cancer.  Frankly, I was a little disappointed by that and it made me sad - I think you took that too far.

 

Gotcha.

 

But it's being used as a tool to bring healing (medicine) - I'm surrounded by medics in my immediate and wider family(!) and in our cases joy (music) into folks' lives.

 

In the case of cancer diagnosis and new medicines, generative ai is being used as part of the software.

 

I also personally know software engineers and language translators whose jobs are being impacted by generative ai. We're not alone in this.

[neepheid]

1 minute ago, Al Krow said:

 

Gotcha.

 

But it's being used as a tool to bring healing (medicine) - I'm surrounded by medics in my immediate and wider family(!) and in our cases joy (music) into folks' lives.

 

In the case of cancer diagnosis and new medicines, generative ai is being used as part of the software.

 

I also personally know software engineers and language translators whose jobs are being impacted by generative ai. We're not alone in this.

 

Thank you for highlighting the personal angle which informed your argument, I appreciate that and understand a bit better why you took it down that road now.

 

But this whole "everyone can be a musician" thing by typing a few words into an "AI magic music generator" can still get in the effing bin, and no amount of arguments, however framed, are going to dissuade me of that.  It's delusional!

[MacDaddy]

We've been through this before in the 70s & 80s when computers took a lot of peoples jobs.

[Uncle Rodney]

3 hours ago, TimR said:

"And this next one is one that my computer wrote earlier"...

... and now looking for seasoned pros to help me play my songs live on stage. I don't have any money so I need dedicated musicians who are as passionate about my music as much as I am. 

😂 drat I should have used AI to generate a better script!

[chris_b]

27 minutes ago, MacDaddy said:

We've been through this before in the 70s & 80s when computers took a lot of peoples jobs.

 

I was there and we put a lot of people out on the streets.

[BigRedX]

1 hour ago, MacDaddy said:

We've been through this before in the 70s & 80s when computers took a lot of peoples jobs.

 

43 minutes ago, chris_b said:

I was there and we put a lot of people out on the streets.

 

In my industry (graphic design and artwork) the people who lost their jobs through the introduction of computers were those who couldn't be bothered to learn to use the new methods. I started off with the traditional methods of working in the 80s and those core skills I learnt were the things that meant I didn't mess up when I transferred over to the computer. For me I was just using a mouse and keyboard and looking at a screen instead of drawing pens, cow gum and rulers on a drawing board. It's also those core skills that keep me in business today where a lot of my work comes from sorting out "designs" done on the computer that can't actually be printed properly.