Active Barefaced

[Jack]

Although it wouldn't be appropriate/necessary with full range cabs like these, we've been successfully using the aux-fed subs method for some time now. The main advantage of aux fed is that it keeps 99.99% of LF content out of the tops.

You don't need that by all accounts with these barefaced cabs, but all those of you wondering why or how you'd only use sub, the answer is you'd use an aux output.

With regards to sub placemnt, we always have one top on a stand and then the other one stacked on top of both subs. Less power alley that way, and it keeps cabling neater. Granted, the LF output is unnoticeably higher on the sub side, but we just make sure to put them furthest from the bar!

[Happy Jack]

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With regards to sub placemnt, we always have one top on a stand and then the other one stacked on top of both subs.
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Is this a zen thing? Sounds like a Moebius sub to me.

[jazzyvee]

Zombie thread revival.

I bought an LF800 sub from a member here, ( not attributing any criticism at him). This summer I took it on a few gigs with a bbii to deal with the highs and the LF800 From the low frequency output of my preamp.  Then on one gig it was fine at soundcheck but come showtime, nothing out of it at all. Brought it home the audio and mains cables are fine. however when plugged into the mains no light comes on. I hace contacted Bareface by email, got one response to confirm it was the 12" sub not the 18." but nothing else. Emailed today again with no response and the phone number is not working. I'm hoping someone from BF reads this and gets in touch. Basically if the plate amp is shot, i would like to be able to get hold of another, failing that, remove it, seal the hole and convert it to a 12" non powered sub that i can drive from my power amp. Anyone have the ear of Alex?

[walshy]

13 hours ago, jazzyvee said:

Zombie thread revival.

I bought an LF800 sub from a member here, ( not attributing any criticism at him). This summer I took it on a few gigs with a bbii to deal with the highs and the LF800 From the low frequency output of my preamp.  Then on one gig it was fine at soundcheck but come showtime, nothing out of it at all. Brought it home the audio and mains cables are fine. however when plugged into the mains no light comes on. I hace contacted Bareface by email, got one response to confirm it was the 12" sub not the 18." but nothing else. Emailed today again with no response and the phone number is not working. I'm hoping someone from BF reads this and gets in touch. Basically if the plate amp is shot, i would like to be able to get hold of another, failing that, remove it, seal the hole and convert it to a 12" non powered sub that i can drive from my power amp. Anyone have the ear of Alex?

I know they are in the process of moving workshops so this may be part of the issue. I only have brilliant things to say about the guys at Barefaced and never had any issues, they can sometimes take a little time to reply via email but they always do. Try an instagram DM too as they are super active on there always and if not another email wouldn't hurt. 

[jazzyvee]

11 hours ago, walshy said:

I know they are in the process of moving workshops so this may be part of the issue. I only have brilliant things to say about the guys at Barefaced and never had any issues, they can sometimes take a little time to reply via email but they always do. Try an instagram DM too as they are super active on there always and if not another email wouldn't hurt. 
 

In the past I too have had great service from Barefaced so i expect this is a minor blip. I don’t use Instagram.  However it would be good to get a resolution from them before i resort to opening it up to see if i can find something obvious. If I don’t hear from BF by the end of the year, i will have to take it to a tech. Such a great cab to not have working. 
 

[Jack]

Iirc the plate amp was an off the shelf part (with custom dsp curves) that was discontinued. That was the main reason those cabs were stopped, although Alex did say he had a stock of parts on hand. My point is that the amps exist outside of Barefaced and having it fixed may be easier than you think. 

 

Have you checked the fuse? 

[jazzyvee]

Yep fuse is fine as are the connections in the 240v plug. 

[Dood]

6 hours ago, Jack said:

Iirc the plate amp was an off the shelf part (with custom dsp curves) that was discontinued. That was the main reason those cabs were stopped, although Alex did say he had a stock of parts on hand. My point is that the amps exist outside of Barefaced and having it fixed may be easier than you think. 

 

Have you checked the fuse? 

 

Hypex made the modules and yes, they are still very much in business, so possibly an email to them might help too. 

[Chienmortbb]

15 hours ago, Dood said:

 

Hypex made the modules and yes, they are still very much in business, so possibly an email to them might help too. 

 You will need to know the dsp/crossover settings that Barefaced used to get the sound right. 

[Dood]

1 hour ago, Chienmortbb said:

 You will need to know the dsp/crossover settings that Barefaced used to get the sound right. 

 

IIRC, and this would need checking, the module was set to a mono block rather than dual with an active crossover. I believe the active cabinet still used a passive crossover as per the BBII. (Hence you'd be able to take the module out completely. (With caveats). Thus, the presets installed were for 'colour' settings as well as the expected HPF type protection possibly. I don't recall reading about any other DSP such as compression or Limiting.

I used to have a copy of the editor app somewhere, but not of the preset files. 

[Dood]

3 minutes ago, Dood said:

 

IIRC, and this would need checking, the module was set to a mono block rather than dual with an active crossover. I believe the active cabinet still used a passive crossover as per the BBII. (Hence you'd be able to take the module out completely. (With caveats). Thus, the presets installed were for 'colour' settings as well as the expected HPF type protection possibly. I don't recall reading about any other DSP such as compression or Limiting.

I used to have a copy of the editor app somewhere, but not of the preset files. 

 

THIS may have been the application.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Dood

[Jack]

I too have the software but none of the presets, a little frustrating as I can remember being sent the 'new' ones from Alex.

[Jack]

On 13/10/2016 at 13:39, alexclaber said:

We have two different presets we load depending on the use - PA and bass instrument.

PA
1. Neutral (half-space)
2. Deep (half-space)
3. Neutral (full-space)
4. Deep (full-space)

All presets are full-range (no sub required). Half-space is for one nearby boundary (wall, floor, ceiling). Full-space is for free air (i.e. stand-mount and away from walls or ceiling).

Bass instrument
1. Neutral
2. Deep
3. Vintage
4. Fat

Neutral is very accurate, Deep extends the low frequency response but is otherwise unchanged, Vintage rolls of the highs and adds an upper-bass / low-mid bump and gentle LF roll-off, Fat is a tilted response curve like on the Berg IP cabs.

Many of the FR800 cabs out there are being used as active bass cabs with outboard preamps.

Mine came with the top set, but I was sent the bottom set. Long gone now I'm afraid!