davideleira Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Hi, I have thought about this question all the time, and I don't know what's more important. I have an Ashdown MAG 300H and I use 2 cabinets: MAG 410 and MAG 210. I like the sound, and the head with my 410 sounds good for rehersals, but I leave that cab with my drummer, in his house. I have got now another band, and my MAG 210 don't make the job right, I have to use more than 7/10 and I don't feel pleased. I use the EQ flat, with a little more of mids. With this, I was thinking on buyng a new head, with 500/600w (matbe Ashdown MAG600?), but I have read that the double of the power isn't the double of the volume, and the difference isn't very much. But if I want more power, I thought that I have to upgrade my cabinets, but I don't have more money to spend... And now I'm thinking if I get a better 210, it is the solution for my problem, that sounds better and loud. Edit: When I have gigs I normally use the two cabs. I don't want to buy another cab, and I don't have very much to spend, and 3 cabinets are very much for me. But the main question is: What's more important, head or cabinet? I'm sorry about my english. I'm portuguese. Edited September 5, 2011 by davideleira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Just get another MAG 210. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassicinstinct Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='chris_b' post='1362986' date='Sep 5 2011, 03:50 PM']Just get another MAG 210.[/quote] +100!! (Not 100 cabs, obviously!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davideleira Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 I don't want to buy another cab, and I don't have very much to spend, and 3 cabinets are very much for me. And I don't want to trade my 210 for a 410. My 410 sounds very good in rehersals, but my 210 alone isn't enough... Is there another solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='davideleira' post='1363033' date='Sep 5 2011, 11:18 AM']I don't want to buy another cab... Is there another solution?[/quote]Not really. You can only get so much out of a 210, and more power probably won't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 You like the MAG300 and don't have much to spend so I'd leave the amp alone. The best cheapest option is another 210 cab, but you don't want to do that. The next best option, but more expensive, is change the 210 for a 410, but you don't want to do that either. You could buy a better amp, but that is even more expensive and won't make your 210 sound any better. You could buy a better 210, and we can all give you a list of better cabs, but that option is more expensive and at volume a 210 will never sound as good as a 410 because there are half the number of speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davideleira Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Well, I understand. The solutions are: buy another cab; get a 410; upgrade head and cab. I just don't want to get another 410 because it's too much, two 410 is difficult to carry. Buy another cab is a little expensive, but there's the same problem: difficult to carry, 3 cabs are very cabs for me. Upgrade head and cab... it's not easy, it would be more expensive... And it would never sound louder than my 410 right... Buy an Ashdown MAG 600 is a little expensive, but who knows if I get a bargain, but it isn't very effective, I think... Edited September 5, 2011 by davideleira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 If you want double volume you need 10x the power!!! But by placing it next to Walls, say a corner you get +3db for every wall. But this is more in te lower frequencies. Still free power!!! Just use the 4x10 on it's own if it's enough, just have to suck it up and travel with it. Or save a bit and buy a Barefaced 2x12, it will go quite abit louder than the mag 4x10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I 2nd buying another 2x10 & maybe flog the 4x10 once you find that you no longer need it & use that money towards upgrading your amp. 2 2x10s stacked vertically will give your audience a better overall volume than any 4x10. The 4x10 will give a nice loud volume to those directly in front of it, but anyone to the left or right will get your bass at a significantly reduced volume (unless you're going through PA of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davideleira Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 I need and like my 410, but I can't travel all the time. Selling my 410 and get another 210 isn't the solution, because I need the two cabs all the time and that's not good for me. Unfortunately a barafaced cab it's to expensive... Well, I will put my 210 next to a wall and stack vertically, and see if it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Raise it off the floor a bit so it's closer to ear level. This is another reason 2 vertical cabs are better. What about building your own cabs? BFM has some impressive designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davideleira Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 I have put my 210 on a table, close to my ears, and it sounds good but if I 2/3 meters away, I don't ear me, and the rest of the band don't ear me (mainly the drummer). Well, building cabs its not for me, I don't understand that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Why don't you get your 410 cab back from the drummer and use that in the other band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davideleira Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 It's not easy to travel with it all the time, and I don't drive so, I have to go with one guitarist but the car isn't huge. Big problem, I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 try a 1x 15 with your 4 x 10, classic rock combo, bloody loud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 sorry, you might be in a jazz band though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 What you want is light loud and small!!! Not possible. You have to make a compromise on something. And your choice is either loudness or lightness/smallness. Are you gigging? If so is there a PA support for bass? At rehearsals is it possible to us the PA for bass aswell? If so then you shouldn't worry about being loud, the 2x10 in a decent spot will be plenty loud enough for you to hear and te PA does the rest for everyone else. If you need optimum loudness at rehearsals, you could try and get everyone else to to turn down!!! It is possible. Or a very good 1x15 is a great compromise between lightness of a 2x10 an loudness of a 4x10. Also a 1x15 should be better at articulating the lower mids where all the juicy bass goodness is. The Barefaced compact is your best bet, but depends on budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davideleira Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 When I'm gigging we use PA support. But rehearsals it isn't possible use PA. I'm gonna think on buyng a second cab the less expensive (or use a friend's 1x15 and see the result). Until that I will use my 210 only and see if something gets better. The acoustic isn't the best but let's see, I just had 3 rehearls with them. If I have money, I would buy a barefaced cab, I've saw their website and I'm now saving some money. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Tricky this, but my advice, start saving. To go loud with a smaller rig you need very speicialised kit, extremely high quality and high excursion drivers, in a superbly engineered cab and a really good amp with the ability to drive such a small cab to its maximum. Really you need a Barefaced Super Twelve and an amp with the whallop to drive it (cheapest known option is probably a hartke lh500, the S12t will cope with more though). You're right, this isnt cheap, sorry, a cheap solution doesnt exist. You could spend a couple of years buying a load of nearly there cheaper solutions and trading them on, they wont be portable and loud enough though. IN the end you will spend more money doing so. Do yourself a favour and deal with the schlep of the gear you have for now and save up for the quality kit you need to achieve your goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 In answer to the original question, I'd have to say head, as my Mrs. is rubbish at cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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