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[quote name='JonnyB' post='368844' date='Jan 2 2009, 08:51 PM']Hi all - thanks for all the names; I think I've found the bassist - Andrew Gouche - I got the DVD (Chaka Khan - One classic night - live) off Amazon for a fiver, and the 'I'm every woman' track is from that concert. AG is the MD for that & does a bit of introducing etc. There was a bit of chatter on BassTalk a while back with some complaining he was overplaying (generally in his tenure as MD of CK's band 1-2 years back) - but I think it's the dog's spuds. What a great sound (Tobias 6-string according to basstalk chatter?)- little bit of slap every now and then - loads of semiquaver runs in all the right places, bit of vibrato.. the list goes on and on.. I've been searching for some of his stuff on youtube etc. - when I've got a moment I'll try and post the links. Seems like he learnt his trade in the Gospel world - no sheet music or anything, just picked it all up by ear from being in that environment for years. In fact some of his other band mates in the CK DVD are with him on all his religious stuff on youtube, he seems to have his foot in both camps (religious/secular).[/quote] Gospel Bassists are the most busiest in terms of their playing. African American Gospel music is full of it, the drummers are just a notorious for putting in long monstrous fills and the keyboardists/organists are purely insane half the time. It can be a little too much to some players ears, some prefer to add a fill in seldom or wait until their solo, whereas there are people who prefer to add these kind of fills which keep the music interesting, I'm guilty of the latter. I have seen countless videos of Gouche, so really any video you do find I've probably sat and watched many times and probably will do again, but one thing I love about anything with AG in it is his tone. That alone made me want to get an MTD, but still, I get a buzz when I watch one of the poorer qaulity videos because you can still tell thats him. He and another fellow Gospel bassist and MTD Endorsee, Joel Smith, were 2 of the first guys to change the approach to Gospel Bass, as up until the early 80's alot of the bass was handled by the organist so there wasn't much need, but as sound technology improved, the music started to sound dated so these guys were employed to liven the music up. These guys are quite similar to each other and along with few other pioneers of Gospel bass have influenced a whole new generation of Urban/Contempoary Gospel Bassists. They do tend to sound similar at times and indeed can get a bit tedious but when you do stumble upon a player who's gopt the right tone and puts in the right fills it really is great to watch and hear. I find most Gospel Bassists much more influential than the likes of the standard solo Bassists, such as Wooten, Clarke, King etc... And also, because of their ability, and Hip-Hop's strange affiliation with the Gospel scene, alot of Gospel Musicians cross over into pop music or live Hip-Hop or Jazz-Fusion or even Funk-Metal, either way they bring a new approach and usually always benefits who their playing for. Yes, I do like Andrew Gouche quite a bit .

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='368070' date='Jan 1 2009, 09:26 PM']Bass Collection. No contest. Just think of that cool P&J sound, 2 band active & thin 24 fret neck [/quote] The V940/V950 offer exactly the same, and have a more desireable headstock.

[quote name='ARGH' post='367456' date='Dec 31 2008, 09:33 PM']Racist[/quote] Jonathan Davis.

[quote name='LWTAIT' post='367111' date='Dec 31 2008, 02:29 PM']he doesnt choke me with his beliefs, but neither does sheehan so i dont see any reason to complain. and which is which? IMO they both apply to christianity, or at least, the bible.[/quote] Fair enough . Just look it up man.

[quote name='Dmanlamius' post='367075' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:53 PM']Uh oh... Discussion on religion approacheth... I'm out.[/quote] Don't worry, I was just giving LWTAIT an answer. Sheehan is a beast, that goes without saying, although I wasn't blown away when he and Niacin did a version of Birdland, Sheehans harsh tone and ever present fills kind of robbed the song of what it made so great in the first place.

[quote name='LWTAIT' post='367068' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:43 PM']if you ask me, the idea of any religion is ridiculous, yet my best friends a christian and neither of us feel the need to hold it against each other. how is a man being born of a virgin birth, turning water into wine, walking on water, etc. then coming back from the dead, not to mention being the son of a "god", who is creator of the universe, who is all knowing, all loving, all powerful, and who is everywhere yet cannot be seen, how is that more believable than scientology?[/quote] If he dosne't need to choke you with his beliefs then you shouldn't ever have any reason to argue. Neither is more believable, one is just more ridiculous from the offset, the other is just so self contradictory and inconsistent it is just as ridiculous in the long run.

[quote name='LWTAIT' post='367045' date='Dec 31 2008, 01:21 PM']i'm struggling to see peoples problem with billy sheehans beliefs, he has the right to believe what he wants to in the same way as all of you do. i definatly dont see how it has anything to do with his playing, and thats what we're here to talk about.[/quote] Having a belief is fair enough, but when its one as ridiculous as Scientology, it's just very hard to take someone as smart as he is, seriously. I find it hard to take anyone seriously if they swear by fairy tales.

Grooving for 40-50 minutes a night is much more worthwhile than a whole 5 minutes worth of soloing.

I still can't hear why he is supposedly so amazing, still, not wishing to start anything I'm just still trying to find something by him which will hopefully make it abundantly clear. Tight like curried mutton mind you.

I had 2 V950's at one point, I loved them. I still have one now but it's just gradually dying in it's case, I do feel bad about it but I could never sell it.

[quote name='ARGH' post='364632' date='Dec 28 2008, 09:58 AM']Ive changed my mind..Im better than you..you suck..and that overprice plank you play is a waste of sawdust![/quote] I love you to baby!

I can play the way I want to, thats enough for me. What I can do either impresses some people or just meh. It's not a sport.

[quote name='Faithless' post='364455' date='Dec 27 2008, 09:00 PM']Did I misunderstand somethin'? RTL- Ride The Lightning? Dude, it's was 1984, Cliff's, not Jason's era...[/quote] Yeah you did . I was referring to Jason's performance of TCOK on S&M. I'm well aware man.

I found this one just as easy to get the hang of it:

[quote name='bumnote' post='364281' date='Dec 27 2008, 05:01 PM']The best thing to do is to go and try out a number of different amps. because no matter how hard people try to describe sound, it probably wont match up to the sound you hear in your head.[/quote] +1. As I previously said, I was after the famed Gospel tone, which is almost bang on similar to what your after Ryan, and that is: Warm, Hi-Fi, Crisp and prominent in any live or recorded situation. I'd recommend an EBS HD350 because IMHO it does the Modern Gospel tone perfectly, yet they all prodominantly use Eden (Bar a select few) and SWR and in some cases Epifani. If you want examples man just ask .

[quote name='lowdown' post='364262' date='Dec 27 2008, 04:31 PM']Just listened to the above link [clips] Its 2008... Garry[/quote] Yeah it's definetly him then, he's one of my main influences as of late, he's her Musical Director as well. Here's a clinic with him playing 2 Chaka tunes: [url="http://live.bassplayer.com/Artist.aspx?name=gouche&video=gouche1"]Clinic.[/url] Gospel Musicians just know how to make stuff better!

[quote name='Protium' post='364123' date='Dec 27 2008, 12:13 PM']Go listen to L.D.50 and then tell us Ryan's playing a P-bass Since Sabbath (allegedly the industry standard of metal? ) also take into account the change in GUITAR tone- i.e. it was a hell of a lot easier for the bass to cut through in that era.[/quote] And if anything, Ryans tone on L.D. 50 is very dark compared to the later releases. I guess Argh is saying that nowadays it's easy to look back and think it was easy to cut through, whereas back then it was more of an ordeal. Yet I don't actually recall saying that more distorion = More Metal. I'm not a fan of Black Sabbath and have always found their earlier stuff weak as in terms of modern day Metal, but I guess it's a case of "You weren't there so your never going to understand Kid".