Vibrating G String

Mancini would be proud.

[quote name='Nibody' timestamp='1320650466' post='1429254'] After a visual inspection realised a possible cause for the intonation issues - with the original neck on it the 16th Fret just lined up with the top of the heel of the body. With the new neck the 15th frett lines up with the heel. How did I not notice that! Suspect the bridge needs to be moved about 3/4" - 1". Odd because the distance 12th fret to nut/12th fret to bridge match up. [/quote] The original neck was a 21 fret, the new one just 20 remounting the bridge will fix things.

If you still want to play if you can change things you could try talking with mr. negative alone. If you do it in front of the band the competitive side will make things escalate. Start by telling him what you enjoy about playing with him and then go into the one thing that bothers you and then ask if he could change it for you. If you make it easy for him to change he may.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1320342532' post='1425672'] Should I believe that the [i]natural chorusing/shimmering effect[/i] isn't caused by all those strings being slightly out of tune with each other? [/quote] I think so, and they vibrate independently and the different tones are made from different gauges and that kind of thing.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1320252458' post='1424417'] Not exactly - he's playing the same note at three different levels [/quote] Unless this is something new it's one root note and 2 strings each one octave from the root, not a series of 3 octaves.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1319986091' post='1420841'] When you look at the range and versatility of what's on offer at Warmoth USA, there is no equivalent company doing this here. Why? [/quote] Our country is much bigger than yours You need a lot of customers to make money doing discount stuff. Here's another US that will ship to the UK company, though it will still be more expensive for you than us. http://www.stewmac.com/international.html

Put a bottle of Jack Daniels on the amp and you have a Van Halen concert

Some of this isn't even human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmtM76blb10 Check out his channel for all kinds of crazy stuff. http://www.youtube.com/user/nadishana

[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1319870226' post='1419465']I've posted these before, but what the heck... Mari Boine: Sami music from the far north of Norway[/quote]From a world where Bjork doesn't seem so odd Cool stuff.

[quote name='orys' timestamp='1319844197' post='1419392']The problem with that music is that you won't hear in the radio, and since you don't know the language, it's hard to look for something like that yourself, unless someone recomends it to you.[/quote]While that's true for the mainstream there are a number of good radio shows in hipper markets like Los Angeles and San Francisco that will search the world for great music. Unfortunately these are usually smaller college stations or public ones but at least in my neighborhoods we get music from around the world.

[quote name='orys' timestamp='1319794421' post='1418592']Most of the posts were "eastern european related" musicians from USA (like Urbaniak, who lives in New Yourk for more than quarter of the century) [/quote] Well I can only pronounce the name of one musician on the clip I posted I do like the mix of different cultures so I don't mind a western influence as opposed to something more culturally pure. For example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otOgxv_laFU

I'm a big fan of Fish Rising and Khan, Gong I prefer the Pierre Moerlein stuff but I still enjoy the pothead pixies.

I think the real tone difference is how deep the bridge screws go. Any more than 3/4 of an inch and you lose the tone of the wood.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRYkS7MhNc[/media]

Here's an American band with Eastern European influences and a wicked fretless riff in the first clip [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa-mHIPhuK0[/media]

or maybe Ivo Papazov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLQcknhApjM

For some reason I want a cookie. Any ways, I've always been a big fan of Michał Urbaniak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL1999iKuNU

I've played many of them over the last 25 years. They have all been top notch high quality basses. IMO there is no Fodera sound, some are made to sound just like a J bass and most are played by people who have learned how to use knobs instead of money to get their sound. They have used so many different pickups and preamps over the years that many tones are available. None of which are exclusive to Fodera. It's kind of like asking if a $50 bottle of wine will get you more drunk than a $5 bottle. To me a Fodera is art, if you don't want to pay for that you can get the same tone and playability for a fraction of the price but you have to be cool on your own.

[quote name='steve-soar' timestamp='1319485163' post='1414827'] That is where luthiers fill the gap. If you've done hundrededs of fretstones/dresses by hand, you get a knowledge for them. [/quote] I used to buy fretwire by the pound from StewMac and LMII and made many many orders. I've done refrets on vintage classics and boutique jobs. It's probably in the hundreds by now. If my eyes didn't fade with age I might still be doing them. I did high end work were I'd round the end of each fret individually and not just round over the side of the neck like most hacks do. It was quite common for people to ask me to raise the action after a setup. I've got a bit of a clue in this area.

[quote name='essexbasscat' timestamp='1319478455' post='1414691'] It's interesting that decade upon decade of musical instrument construction has yet to provide an agreed knowledge base about the mechanics of a guitar neck and the best methods of working with it. Entertaining though.... [/quote] It's agreed upon in the top end.

[quote name='murrmac123' timestamp='1319453479' post='1414144'] The crux of the matter is this : Let's assume you have an instrument with a perfectly straight neck, there are no strings attached, and the trussrod is fully loosened off. Let us further assume that the fretboard is perfectly fretted with perfect frets, meaning that all the frets are exactly the same distance above the fretboard at every single point, while the neck is in this relaxed condition. Now you attach the strings, and bring them up to pitch. The neck now has a huge forward bow, right? So you tighten the trussrod (slacken the strings first if you feel you need to and bring them up to pitch afterwards) until the forward bow is gone.[/quote]Why, no one wants a flat neck with strings on if they play with low action. [quote] The tops of the frets are no longer in a straight line, and they are not in a continuous concave curve either. The tops of the frets are now following an S - curve , as is the top of the fretboard. You [b]cannot [/b]make the fretboard straight by tightening the trussrod.[/quote]You want an S curve, ask any real luthier who does good fretwork. You want concave but transitioning to a drop off on the higher frets. Strings vibrate in a curve they don't translate in a straight line. This curve will be in different places depending on which note is fretted. This is explained in many basic books, you might start with Melvin Hiscocks or something by Dane Erlewine to learn more about the proper S curve of a fretboard. [quote] This might not matter if you are happy with a high action, but if you want the lowest possible buzz free action, it certainly does. [/quote]Tobias, Sadowsky, Fodera disagree. Flat necks are amateur and buzz like hell. Heck you can read about this on the Modulus site where they talk about built in curvature. But they sell basses and not sticks

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1319440131' post='1413974'] Well maybe it's possible there might be a different and better way of doing things. I do my own set ups too. The stiffer the neck, the easier it is to get good results with the strings off. I'd prefer not to be dragged into taking a polarised debate on the matter to be honest. [/quote]I'm not talking about doing my own setups but making many instruments from scratch and being one of the L.A. guys to get a refret done from. You're not being dragged into a debate you're starting one. You can leave at any time [quote] Well I disagree and my way works really well for getting low action, do you have a problem with that? [/quote]Not to the degree you do

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1319437969' post='1413963'] Not quite true, you're supposed to get frets presenting a level surface to the underside of the strings WHILE the neck under tension. If a player wishes more or or less relief they can set the height at the 12th fret with a truss rod but it really shouldn't really be necessary if the fret job is done well. The neck relief should just be set once for a particular gauge of strings and left. Action is set using the bridge saddles as normal to taste.[/quote]I've never seen any pro want a flat board with string under tension, I've never done it that way myself but then I've only been doing fret jobs since 1985[quote] Only if you tighten too much.[/quote]Which is what you're doing when you tighten it to get a flat neck under string tension.[quote] It's worth highlighting that its unlikely a player will ever tighten the neck on their instruments to such extremes. [/quote]Which is why you don't want to do it when you're leveling frets.[quote] Also, many modern basses have dual action truss rods which means they will deal with tension in either direction. Stick two of them in a neck and you have not only the ability to deal with twist but the ability to set the amount of resistance to string tension on each side of the neck. [/quote] So is this tool not for Fenders or their copies then?

[quote name='essexbasscat' timestamp='1319364988' post='1413018'] I'm no expert at this topic, just an interested learner. But would I be correct in thinking that a trussrod applies force from a central position (perhaps with the exceptions of rikkys and other dual trussrod instruments), while stings apply force across the fretboard ? And the old favourite - different thickness strings, tuned to different pitches, apply different levels of force. Just a few thoughts..... [/quote] A truss rod applies different force at different points along its length. No force beyond it's anchors which is in the playing area and it actually presses sideways against the wood of the neck whereas string tension only pulls from the end points.

[quote name='henry norton' timestamp='1319360754' post='1412953']I suppose that's where Chandlers made a mistake, being led to believe customers would prefer a machine to set their guitar up rather than a trained technician. [/quote]I did find it funny how many people who are against CNC for woodwork were so sold by PLEK for fretwork, which I consider more critical than woodwork in the way a bass plays.