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[quote name='alyctes' timestamp='1320266965' post='1424685'] Part of the difficulty with stuff that's not sung in English is that you're never sure whether you're listening to something like the Horst Wessel Song. [/quote] Well, that works both ways. I know one guy who speak no English at all, but "he loved country" so he listened to "Racist Redneck Rebels" ;-)

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWUYMWlEyo&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWUYMWlEyo&feature=related[/url] Now that some interesting music from Korea (I know, you propably will not believe me, but I came to this site by browsing bass players on Youtube, not by browsing crossdressers, LOL) I never seen such a 8 string bass before...

I mean: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_NCcJMLYSo[/media] this is certainly very Polish (or at least from Poland, as AFAIK remember this is a song from some other nation who used to live in Poland) but for last 100 years, and for sure since era of swing, the cultures are mixing which each other. I can hardly imagine any rock music where there is no Hendrix, Beatles and traditional american blues in its roots... So if we are not talking about bands like Myslovitz who do everything to sound like "Brit-guitar-rock" as it is called in Poland, how much of "Polishness in international idea of rock music" (or the other way round) you would like to hear? Or maybe it's about some ideas which are not coming from the national roots, but on the other hands cannot be find anywhere else? Something what is completely weird and different from the other bands? Like, for example, Voo Voo [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=medSZgsoCtQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=27s[/media] (In my opinion it's one of the best Polish bands ever, it's amazing how they change from album to album, this one is not example of their style, as there is no such things, it's just "random sample"...) Is it something you would look for if you was interested in Polish music? I am asking, because for me, I like also to look at "mainstream music" from other countries. You might say that, for example, rock of 70s was quite similar here in the west (Say: Led Zeppelin), and in Hungary (Lokomotiv GT), Czechoslovakia (Plastic People of the Universe), Poland (SBB), Yugoslavia (Bijelo Dugme) etc. but each of these bands are different, and I would not just stick to, say, western music, or Polish music, only because the music they played back then in the other countries was similar and often influenced from USA...

Yeah, I was off course joking. And it wasn't aimed at you, altough I was inspired by your post ;-) I have to say there are some nice Coldplay songs, and some of these singing girls are all right too, but most of it is boring, and I agree with you on that (now I can, as you told that first ) I used this names as Coldplay-ish things are seen by average Jaś from the pub as typical British music. And it's quite popular in Poland, to such extend that we have some bands who play it (I even found an example for you when they sing in English, altough original hit was in Poland and they re-recorded it in English later when they made their (mediocre) break-through to Europe). [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdmbuDD2hEE&ob=av2e"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdmbuDD2hEE&ob=av2e B[/url]ut there is other interesting point you made and I started to wonder: what would you understand as "typical Polish music"?

[quote name='Batfastard' timestamp='1319894443' post='1419817'] I think the main problem is the British mindset. We're isolated from Europe, so we don't adapt like the other countries. Look at the fact the majority of British peoole still only speak english and in other european countries its common to speak two or three. British culture isn't as open to outside influence like the mainlad countries, meaning we miss out on a lot of stuff not just music. [/quote] Well, I have to say that you might be right. I expected much better response on that subject from the music community... From my experience I might add, that especially common Europe is often seen, maybe even subconsciously, as some worse part of the world. If I was paid a pound every time when someone asked me what music I am listen to in my car and was surpsised that "it is so good music, and it's Polish/Czech/Hungarian/Serbian/Croatian/French/Kanadian/Latin American/Japanese*, that's amazing", I would propably be buying Richard Branson just now ;-) [quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1319918859' post='1420188'] For a thread about all the world's music that's not anglo-american, there's a disproportionate amount of eastern European stuff here, including a lot which is very Western-influenced...gypsy's not the only alternative out there! What about Fairuz and other arabic artists? Indian subcontinent? Does Spanish/Portuguese-language South American stuff count? (And what about eg American migrant music that's not in English and comes from other traditions?) And what about African music sung in pidgin English?[/quote] Well, I hope still to learn some "exotic" music from this thread. I guess that there is mostly EE music, because I am Polish and I gave some examples and people answering to me... 1 [quote]I listen to plenty of music from all over the world in all sorts of languages, but very little from central/eastern Europe because it has an aesthetic I don't find particularly appealing. Though I did really enjoy the folk-tinged jazz in Prague when I visited a few years ago. [/quote] <tongue-in-cheek> I listen to plenty of music from all over the world in all sorts of languages, but very little from Britain, because it has an aestethic I don't find particularly appealing. Though I really enjoyed this celtic music I heard once in Scottish pub on Outer Hebrides. But apart of that - it's all the same. I heard this, how they were called, Travis, and the other day, when I was on holiday in Bulgaria, there was this English guy who was listening so something called Coldgame, or Hotplay maybe, it was something along these lines, and I have all this British songs are so similar to each other... Nothing really interesting, if you heard some, you heard it all, so I lost my interest about them completely. Ah, and there is this guy John Porter: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8y8MXFtkrk[/media] , he's all right, but he lives in Poland, that's why ;-) </tongue-in-cheek> Hm, I should still have this hard hat from the old times when I was visiting construction sites, I think I should find it, it might come handy now... ----------- * cross the ones which dont' apply in this particular case.

[quote name='EdwardHimself' timestamp='1319889288' post='1419726'] Maybe not, but I think that's the implicatios of what you're saying.[/quote] Well, I can't help if you think that ;-) I know what I meant... [quote]I wasn't talking about "local-niche" bands either. There are "mainstream" bands that are played in this country that most people in this country have probably heard of, but no-one knows of them outside of this country. [/quote] Name some examples... As far as I can say, everything I hear in radio here (and I listen to lot of mainstream radio station, as my job involves lots of driving), I can hear in another countries. [quote]So your point that "mainstream" in this country will all be heard elsewhere i do not think is true at all. [/quote] Well, I never said that "they will ALL be heard EVERYWHERE, but I say that you usually can hear them somewhere in Europe. [quote]It just so happens that the national mainstream bands and the international mainstream bands that are heard of worldwide sound pretty similar in this country. That's hardly our fault.[/quote] Well, maybe there will be more variety, if you knew more of other countries music, so you can draw inspiration from it? [quote]I'm sure there are "mainstream" bands in other countries that won't have been heard of in this country, but I doubt they would have been heard of in any other country outside of their immediate reigon either.[/quote] Off course it's not that they are all known everywhere, but for that example in Polish radio you can easily hear music in English, French, German, Italian, Czech... If you are in France, you can hear French, German, Italian, English music... Not that in every country they play music in every language, here you are off course right, but still the variety is much wider. [quote]I have been to spain on a number of occasions and I can't say that at any point in the hours of radio I've been forced to listen to that I ever heard any bands from eastern europe or scandinavia being played on their mainstream radio.[/quote] Well, you might to hear some bands from these parts of the word and don't know where are they from, as they were singing in English. Many of Polish bands, for example, who made some break through to the West record English versions of their songs. (And not only Eastern Europeans do it, French do it as well and even you used to do it as well, The Beatles for example were known in Germany for their hit "Sie libt dich, yeah yeah yeah... ") p[quote]I think you might have missed my point on this one. As I said before, given that the people on this forum are musicians, they're bound to take more of an interest in music than the average joe down ' pub. May point is that will joe public in poland have heard of this music? As you pointed out, you won't hear it on the radio. That's what I meant. Of course you won't hear it on the radio, because it's not something that's familiar to the general public. [/quote] Yes, average Jaś in Polish knajpa might don't know most of the music we shared in this thread, but he will for sure know much more foreign singers and bands than his British equivalent. So he will know all these pop stars, singers and bands like Alizée (from France), Eros Ramazotti (from Italy), Nadya (from France), Jaromir Nohavica (from Czech Republic), Die Toten Hosen (Germany), Max Raabe (Germany, I think, or maybe Austria), Garou (from Quebec) etc. Of course in most above cases it's nothing great, just pop, but what do you expect from Jaś from local pub? If you climb "up" from "Average Jaś" to, for example, educated people, students or something, their knowledge of the foreign music will be better, they will know more "ambitious" music, and musicians of course will know even more. And just to refer to one of the other posters, who said that there is no cultural background: What cultural background you need to understand that song? It's a pop song, lyrics, as usual in pop songs, are nothing big (but still, I would say, better than in most pop songs) so if you don't understand them, you don't miss a lot and the song is OK, singer has nice voice and know what to do with it, she looks quite nice, and she has a bunch of good musicians playing for her (I choosed this one because there is nice bass line IMHO). And it was early 90s, she was first big pop star just after collapse of the communism... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lKZahL0vfo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lKZahL0vfo I[/url]s is to different from Western pop? I don't think so, so I hardly can see how lack of the understanding of Polish culture can be in the way of "understanding foreign songs".

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1319802627' post='1418746'] Orys, don`t be offended. I`ve worked all over Eastern Europe over the past 15 years and seen a lot of great bands, but on the whole, the jazz and folk stuff was best. I can`t honestly say I like Polish punk rock or Slovenian funk very much, it just doesn`t do it for me.Partly because I have no idea what the song might be about. I think that their time will come, because for me it`s all about context and reference, and that`s why I think Americans dominate the scene, because everybody has a good idea about American lifestyles and can identify with it.And so understand the references American musicians make. When those in the west are more familiar with Eastern European sensibilities, then the music will be in the vanguard. MM [/quote] Hm, interesting point, altough I am not convicted by this one. And dont' worry, I won't be offended, I am just really curious about this matter. [quote name='EdwardHimself' timestamp='1319808012' post='1418832'] Personally, I don't mind listening to bands in other languages. That's because I can identify with music as well as lyrics, being a musician. All I'm saying is that people who aren't as interested in music just want some familiar lyrics on the radio they can relate to. I don't think it's fair to say that people in Spain or Finland or Lithuania listen to more music than us here in britain. Almost every country in the world has "national" bands that people find popular as well as this "Anglo-american" or international english singing set of artists that are played on the radio alongside each other. The only difference is that here in britain, those "national" acts, the ones that aren't generally well known outside of our country, just happen to sing in the same language as the "international" artists. I don't think that makes you any more or less "cultured" or whatever you want to call it than us.[/quote] I am not wanting to call you "less cultured". After all you are still main source of musical influence to the bands allover the world. What I was trying to say is that if something is played in national media here, you will propably find this in other countries as well. I am not talking about some local, niche bands. I am talking about mainstream. And as for mainstream - what mainstream you have here, can be heard elsewhere. What mainstream they have elsewhere you want hear in British radio, unless is in English. In that sense, you loose chance to listen to something which is popular amongst other nations. [quote]The thing is that you're bound to identify with eastern european music since it's where you're from, but how do you feel about music from Thailand, Belize or Ethiopia? My guess, is that to you and your fellow countrymen, they're just as foreign and unfamiliar as eastern european music is to us. [/quote] I am afraid you are wrong on it. I know lot of music which is nor Eastern European, nor Anglo-American, altough so far nothing from Thailand, Belize or Ethiopia. Just as example my three latest discoveries: Alerta Kamarada (A reagge-ish band, I think they are from Columbia), Tinariwen (the Beduin band from Morocco) and ZAZ (French girl). I was also given a nice mix of Madagascarian music some time ago (now thats exotic, but actually very nice to listen to). The problem with that music is that you won't hear in the radio, and since you don't know the language, it's hard to look for something like that yourself, unless someone recomends it to you. And I have to say more than 90% of such music is recomended to me by my non-British friends (Eastern European or French). [quote name='matski' timestamp='1319815268' post='1418938'] Not any more he doesn't - he lives in Warsaw too. I know this because I visited him at his apartment a while ago. [/quote] Oh, I didn't knew that. But still, his fame comes from New York, not from Warsaw. [quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1319801995' post='1418734'] Plenty of great Eastern European Musicians about who are highly skilled. Its not all Circus Music & folk night around the camp fire using Gypsy scales [ although that's great as well] Some very Funky Polish dudes from the 70's when everyone thought it was just Americans doing the 'thang'. (YT LINKS) [/quote] Hah, you got me on this - I never heard that one ;-) But it's true, Eastern Europe apart of doing its own style also often succesfully played in American style: this is, for example, "the Polish answer to Shaft": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476QyWZHqPA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476QyWZHqPA EDIT: Replaced YT links for a better quality one.

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1319787516' post='1418502'] I think this thread has demonstrated why we mostly talk about anglo-american musicians and music. [/quote] You mean that theses are often not too good bands? Well, to me it proved, sadly, that you don't know too much about music from that part of Europe. This is sad, you miss a lot. Most of the posts were "eastern european related" musicians from USA (like Urbaniak, who lives in New Yourk for more than quarter of the century), some musicians who accidentaly became known in UK (like this Bulgarian guy) etc. There were some exotic bands posted here, but there was nothing really main stream like, for example (to start from the basics from 60s) this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGt-rTDkMcM This bit, of the great Hungarian band Omega from 60s and 70s, for example, is as basic for the non-angloamerican musicians like "House of rising sun" is for everyone, 100s of covers all across the Europe over the years and everything... there was even version in English, but I cannot find it just now. [quote name='EdwardHimself' timestamp='1319720074' post='1417687'] I listen to a few bands from outside the UK and US, although admittedly most of them sing in english. It's usually quite difficult to relate to lyrics that aren't in the language you speak. That's the problem. [/quote] Hm, i can't see it as a problem. OK, you dont' undersand the lyrics, but the music might be good anyway. So you have a choice of knowing the music without understanding the lyrics, or missing the whole lot... People from other countries listen to Anglo-american music (as it dominates the market) often without understanding, so as they are used to listen to music in foreign languages, they also listen to music in other languages as well. And it's a great prompt for many people to start learning the language - my first words in any language I speak were from the foreing songs. And then by listen to the songs I know a few words and phrases in langugages I don't speak as well... I do understand that you here are not used to other languages, as English dominated the western culture and there is a plenty to choose from, but still it might be worth to look what is behind the corner. My job involves a lot of driving around Europe, and I often listen to the local radio stations. When I come back to UK, I have a feeling that they play the same 50 songs all the time... European radio stations play music in various languages, so they have much wider choice of "basic hits" ;-)

I leave in UK for several years now and I noticed that most of the people know next to nothing about musicians who are from outside anglo-american circles (i.e. bands who don't sing in English). I wonder how it looks among the musicians community? Do you know any Eastern European bands or musicians for example? Because if you don't, you might be missing a lot... This is just a little taster for you: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3b0fIgDy6E[/media] (my fav Polish bass player, who likes to play solo with a little help from his extensive hardware)

[quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1319634724' post='1416668']. The PBass in your picture looks more like a Jazz Bass neck (which is thinner and a bit easier to get around) and it seems to have a bridge pickup too. So I would recommend the Vintage Modified Jazz Bass.[/quote] yeah, the bridge pick up was added later - you can see it that one of the knobs is different from the other two - it was hard to get them in communist Poland, you know, so the guy was just making them himself ;-) This is a good advice about these basses, but I am wondering if I should use this opportunity to try something completely different - like this modern designs. I have to say that I liked this spear bass, so I maybe shall check more of them modern ones. As for the link given by the other member - well, I see it's a bargain, but as for me the guitar has 20% too much strings :-) I struggle to be good on four so far, so maybe I just should stick to the classic approach. Or maybe, as I am starting almost from scratch again, I should use it to go for fivestring one considering that I already lost my four string habits? ;-) I am goint to a big store tomorow and I am planning to spent some time there trying everything they have ;-)

double post, sorry, please delete.

hello everyone, this is my first post here. And I need your advice. But first, the background. I just decided to come back to playing after about 6 years and suddenly found myself without a guitar. And this is where the problem starts: I was lucky and had in possesion of custom made Jakubiszyn Precission, a dream guitar of my late uncle who was a proffessional player. I know that it tells you nothing, but mr Jerzy Jakubiszyn was a legendary guitar maker in Poland in 80s and 90s, who was making guitars completely from scratch - he wasn't using any third party components. Enough to say that his guitars are nowadays valued higher than original Fender. So when I started my career of bassist in High School, my aunt took me one day and told me "you are the only one person in the family who plays bass, so I want you to use this". I have to say I was astonished - it's like if some learner driver was given a Rolls Royce. This is me trying it on some jam session long time ago in the galaxy far far away I was using this guitar since about 1997, playing in few bands, but when my band split in 2004, I barely touched this guitar since ( I played some accoustic guitar here and there, but for last few years it's just some playing and singing along with friends on odd occasions). Recently I decided to get back to playing bass, and as I have some money (wchich was not a case 10 years ago) I planned to give the old Jakubiszyn a proper service. I went to one guitarmaker recommended to me by friend and asked him to look at it. At the beginning he wasnt too impressed, he looked at the guitar briefly and said some not too nice words about it, but he agreed to take the guitar in to do some minor job and quote me for more. I really liked his face, when I came few days later to pick it up and I caught him playing it and saying very positive things about it to someone in the back of the shop ;-) But my cousin, daughter of my late uncle, decided to do something really nasty to me and she got married to some proffessional musician and now he is number one to be keeper of the family treasure and I had to send my beloved guitar back to Poland (it was hard to find someone I trust enough to carry it there ) And now when you have the background, you can imagine my point: I am walking from the shop to the shop, trying everything in my financial range, and all these guitars are so crap, even though I can barely play nowaday, since I wasn't practicing for so many years The guys in the guitar shops look at me as at some weirdo - I can barely play and I moan about every guitar they show me like that princess from the Princess and the Pea fairly tale ;-) But is that because I am so spoiled, or because I have wooden hands after so long gap in playing bass, or simply because this precission bass was really the only one I ever played and I am just not used to different ones? Or they are really crap? Off course I have no spare 1000 to buy something similar to what I used to play on, so I have to settle within my humble limit of, say, 300. So far the guitar I liked the most was some Washburn I forgot which one, and one of these Spear S2 basses like that one (except that I am after 4): Can you tell me if it's a good idea? It sounded nice to me and somehow I found it nice to play... Spoke to a friend of a friend who gave me some e-bay links to things I should consider as well: [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Ibanez-ATK200-NT-Natural-finish-bass-guitar-/400233694651?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item5d2fc985bb#ht_500wt_1180"]http://www.ebay.co.u...b#ht_500wt_1180[/url] [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ibanez-BTB400-Active-Bass-Quilted-Top-/330621890358?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4cfa99af36#ht_1754wt_1398"]http://www.ebay.co.u...#ht_1754wt_1398[/url] [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peavey-Cirrus-BXP-4-String-Bass-Highly-Figured-Bubinga-Top-/170716815284?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27bf83dfb4#ht_2362wt_1398"]http://www.ebay.co.u...#ht_2362wt_1398[/url] [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ibanez-SR300-ROM-Electric-Bass-Guitar-Sr-300-/170712849543?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27bf475c87#ht_2526wt_1141"]http://www.ebay.co.u...#ht_2526wt_1141[/url] but somehow with my complete lack of knowledge I am not sure if I should go for second hand one... Hm, I am moaning a lot, do I? So maybe I will just finish and if you have any ideas how to help me in my misery, please do it ;-)