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[quote name='janmaat' timestamp='1322303878' post='1449030'] The correct plural of forum is fora since forum is neuter. Kasus Singular Plural Nominativ for[b]um[/b] for[b]a[/b] Genitiv for[b]ī[/b] for[b]ōrum[/b] Dativ for[b]ō[/b] for[b]īs[/b] Akkusativ for[b]um[/b] for[b]a[/b] Ablativ for[b]ō[/b] for[b]īs[/b] [/quote] See, Basschat is not boring at all, it's highly educational.

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1322259643' post='1448822'] I'll bring the smoke grenades and the van [/quote] Given the size of the B10 in its case, a van would be handy.

[quote name='AttitudeCastle' timestamp='1322259472' post='1448819'] Also, Perfect and relative pitch don't develop you either have it or you don't. Always that way or never that way. Though something akin to the two can come with pure experience but perfect pitch it self, or relative pitch? You can't learn, [/quote] It's not at all as simple as you either have it or you don't and you can't learn it. [quote] Wikipedia: [b]Influence by music experience[/b] Absolute pitch sense appears to be influenced by cultural exposure to music, especially in the familiarization of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament"]equal-tempered[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_scale"]C-major scale[/url]. Most of the absolute listeners that were tested in this respect identified the C-major tones more reliably and, except for B, more quickly than the five "black key" tones,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-17"][18][/url][/sup] which corresponds to the higher prevalence of these tones in ordinary musical experience. One study of Dutch non-musicians also demonstrated a bias toward using C-major tones in ordinary speech, especially on syllables related to emphasis.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-18"][19][/url][/sup] [b]Linguistics[/b] Absolute pitch is more common among speakers of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_language"]tonal languages[/url] such as most dialects of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language"]Chinese[/url] or [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_language"]Vietnamese[/url], which depend heavily on pitch variation across single words for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicon"]lexical[/url] meaning (e.g. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Mandarin"]Mandarin[/url] with four possible pitch variations, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Cantonese"]Cantonese[/url] with six or seven (depending on dialect), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Min_Language"]Minnan[/url] with seven or eight (depending on dialect), and Vietnamese with six.)[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-jasa138th-19"][20][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-jasa148th-20"][21][/url][/sup] Speakers of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages"]Sino-Tibetan languages[/url] have been reported to speak a word in the same absolute pitch (within a quarter-tone) on different days; it has therefore been suggested that absolute pitch may be acquired by infants when they learn to speak in a tonal language[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu-2004-21"][22][/url][/sup] (and possibly also by infants when they learn to speak in a pitch stress language). However, the brains of tonal-language speakers do not naturally process musical sound as language;[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-22"][23][/url][/sup] perhaps such individuals may be more likely to acquire absolute pitch for musical tones when they later receive musical training. Also many native speakers of a tone language, even those with little musical training, are observed to sing the same piece in the same key consistently. Among music students of East Asian ethnic heritage, those who speak a tone language very fluently have a much higher prevalence of absolute pitch than those who speak only nontone language.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-phil-jasa-2006-23"][24][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu-2009-24"][25][/url][/sup] It is possible that level-tone languages which are found in Africa—such as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language"]Yoruba[/url],[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-25"][26][/url][/sup] with three pitch levels, and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mambila"]Mambila[/url],[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-26"][27][/url][/sup] with four—may be better suited to study the role of absolute pitch in speech than the pitch and contour tone languages of East Asia. Further, speakers of European languages have been found to make use of an absolute, though subconscious, pitch memory when speaking.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-27"][28][/url][/sup] [sup]... [/sup] [b]Special populations[/b] The prevalence of absolute pitch is higher among those who are blind from birth as a result of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_nerve_hypoplasia"]optic nerve hypoplasia[/url]. The prevalence of absolute pitch is considerably higher among individuals with early childhood in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia"]East Asia[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-greg-39"][40][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006-40"][41][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006b-41"][42][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2007-42"][43][/url][/sup] While this difference might seem to be genetic in origin;[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-zlab-43"][44][/url][/sup] individuals of East Asian ancestry who are born or reared in the United States or Canada are significantly less likely to develop absolute pitch than those raised in East Asia.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2007-42"][43][/url][/sup] This presents the likelihood that the difference is explained by cultural experience rather than genetic heritage. Language may be an important factor; many East Asians speak tonal languages such as Mandarin and Cantonese, while others (such as those in Japan and certain provinces of Korea) speak pitch accent languages, and the prevalence of absolute pitch may be partly explained by exposure to pitches together with meaningful musical labels very early in life.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006-40"][41][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006b-41"][42][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2007-42"][43][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2004-44"][45][/url][/sup] Absolute pitch ability has higher prevalence among those with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_Syndrome"]Williams Syndrome[/url][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-lenhoff-45"][46][/url][/sup] and those with an [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum_disorder"]autism spectrum disorder[/url], with rates as high as 30% claimed, stating that the rate among musicians in general is far lower.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Sacks.2C_O._2007-46"][47][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-heaton-47"][48][/url][/sup] [sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-48"][49][/url][/sup] [b]Nature vs. nurture[/b] Absolute pitch might be achievable by any human being during a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period"]critical period[/url] of auditory development,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Sakakibara.2C_2004-49"][50][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Chin.2C_2003-50"][51][/url][/sup] after which period [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive"]cognitive[/url] strategies favor global and relational processing. Proponents of the critical-period theory agree that the presence of absolute pitch ability is dependent on learning, but there is disagreement about whether training causes absolute skills to occur[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Oura_.26_Eguchi.2C_1982-51"][52][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Sakakibara.2C_1999-52"][53][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Miyazaki.2C_2006-53"][54][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Lau.2C_2004-54"][55][/url][/sup] or lack of training causes absolute perception to be overwhelmed and obliterated by relative perception of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_intervals"]musical intervals[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Abraham_1901-55"][56][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Saffran_and_Griepentrog.2C_2001-56"][57][/url][/sup] There may be a genetic locus for absolute pitch ability,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Theusch.2C_E._et_al.-57"][58][/url][/sup] which locus would suggest a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics"]genetic[/url] basis for its presence or absence.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Drayna.2C_D._et_al.-58"][59][/url][/sup] A genetic basis, should it exist, might represent either a predisposition for learning the ability or signal the likelihood of its spontaneous occurrence. An unequivocal resolution to the ongoing debate would require [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_experiment"]controlled experiments[/url] that are both impractical and unethical. Researchers have been trying to teach absolute pitch ability in laboratory settings for more than a century,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Meyer_1899-59"][60][/url][/sup] and various commercial absolute-pitch training courses have been offered to the public since the early 1900s.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-60"][61][/url][/sup] However, no adult has ever been documented to have acquired absolute listening ability,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-61"][62][/url][/sup] as all adults who have undergone AP training have failed, when formally tested, to show "an unqualified level of accuracy... comparable to that of AP possessors".[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-62"][63][/url][/sup] [/quote]

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1322258968' post='1448813'] Must come along to your next gig Dave [/quote] Well, at the moment, that's not until March 2nd.

[quote name='GeirMB' timestamp='1313684583' post='1344620'] I guess I will have to use some time to find what I like. Btw, did you ever use a bow with your B10 ? Thanks G [/quote] It doesn't really work with a bow due to the waist of the body not being cut away enough to play E or G strings without catching A or D string respectively.

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1322257566' post='1448795'] I've just sold all my acoustic basses to buy one of these so if anyone's selling their's, please let me know Chris [/quote] Good luck with that Chris, there can't be many of them around. I'm really enjoying mine although I haven't gigged it yet.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1322252894' post='1448747'] This isnt the place to ask questions, this is the review section. [/quote] I meant to say that but by the time I'd found the review thread I'd forgotten.

[quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1322253020' post='1448748'] The girl in question regarding the OP has talented parents. She has learned to play two instruments at a good standard in the space of three months, with only minutes of practice per night. My mum is a talented artist. My brother and I are good at art. There has to be a genetic link. [/quote] No, there doesn't have to be a so-called genetic link. There are other explanations which are considerably more likely.

[quote name='Protium' timestamp='1322249100' post='1448689'] Where has the blue theme gone? [/quote] Good question.

[quote name='blackmn90' timestamp='1322243311' post='1448603'] were not allowed to criticise the moderators, were not worthy ..... [/quote] Of course we're not worthy, the question is whether our unworthiness was inherited or not.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1322242034' post='1448578'] I was going to click on the green 'like' arrow for this but can't due to being an admin and therefore buttonless! So have a 'like' on me! [/quote] Bilbo's post doesn't appear to have a green (or red) button at all.

This thread might interest you: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/63093-squier-cv-jazz-vs-fender-amstdjazz/"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/63093-squier-cv-jazz-vs-fender-amstdjazz/[/url]

[quote name='Len_derby' timestamp='1322239355' post='1448517'] No, the research suggests that belief in inherited talent comes about through diligent hard work and years of practise. [/quote] Seems like I haven't practiced enough yet.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1322237966' post='1448481'] So there we have it. [/quote] I wonder if a tendency to believe in inherited talent is itself inherited.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1322238668' post='1448503'] This is a composition, not a solo, and it is played with a bow on an acoustic instrument with a beautiful timbre. Show me a bass players who solos who can match Bach in terms of composition. If you like cello, check out Steven Isserlis playing Britten's No3 cello suite. It's extraordinary. [/quote] Yes, not a solo but unaccompanied. And +1 as they say on Isserlis and Britten.

[quote name='frostis' timestamp='1322237991' post='1448482'] Just listen to any solo by Alain Caron. That is real poetry in my opinion. [/quote] Well, I just listened to Alain Caron on Youtube and 'No thanks, I'll take Rostropovich playing Bach'.

[quote name='frostis' timestamp='1322237991' post='1448482'] This is played in the low register. Should we consider it ugly?: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR9lCa23kzo&feature=related[/media] [/quote] Lovely, but I don't feel that was the kind of bass solo that was being referred to, maybe I'm missing something.

I usually avoid bass solos - both playing them or listening to them. However, if, despite it all, a bass solo is necessary then it really ought to have some relationship to the groove of the song, as VW says, but I'd also expect it to have some relationship to the melody of the song.

[quote name='bridge' timestamp='1322234773' post='1448401'] Extender fitted and seems to work fine. Tuner slightly stiff, but hopefully its because its new (turned ok in slot before extender fitted). Just need to give it some welly next week at rehersals, before trusting it to a gig. fingers crossed it will be fine! no more detuning or changing guitar! [/quote] Slightly stiff is better than slightly loose.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1322222829' post='1448121'] That inate extra....?? best sumed up for me, like this. Gazza... for example.. Couldn't string two sentences together, pretty much, but was two or three moves ahead of his teammates. Football made sense and was easy for him whereas as others were journeymen by comparison...and generally in a field of sporting excellence as far as most other people who 'played' football were concerned. I mean, we can all kick a ball about..and some work very hard to make the most of their physical attributes..and then there is another level that very very few inhabit. Gazza is still regarded as the best British player of his generation..and there has been no one since, and that was 15 plus years ago...as yet...!! That is what I regard as that inate something extra. [/quote] You still haven't told us what this 'innate extra something' is. I remain unconvinced.

Very nice, but no dosh

[quote name='99ster' timestamp='1322180100' post='1447772'] Tim Buckley & Jeff Buckley... Bearing in mind that (by all accounts) Tim had no part in his son's upbringing - maybe a good example of inherited talent? [/quote] [quote] Wikipedia: Buckley was brought up around music. His mother was a classically trained pianist and cellist.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_buckley#cite_note-17"][18][/url][/sup] His stepfather introduced him to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin"]Led Zeppelin[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_%28band%29"]Queen[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix"]Jimi Hendrix[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who"]The Who[/url], and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd"]Pink Floyd[/url] at an early age.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_buckley#cite_note-TheArrivalof-18"][19][/url][/sup] Buckley grew up singing around the house and in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony"]harmony[/url] with his mother,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_buckley#cite_note-19"][20][/url][/sup] later noting that all his family sang.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_buckley#cite_note-20"][21][/url][/sup] Buckley began playing guitar at the age of five after discovering an acoustic guitar in his grandmother's closet.[/quote]

[quote name='skej21' timestamp='1322168137' post='1447586'] Perfect pitch is probably the most obvious example. We are all born with the ability to train our ears to recognise frequencies as different pitches (in the same way we are all born to recognise different light frequencies as colours), but we need an environment in which it is developed (i.e. through the encouragement of musical parents who recognise the skill and can develop the ear through training) and consistent practice, otherwise we lose the skill as we grow older and use it less regularly ... [/quote] There's some research that suggests that children from cultures that speak tone languages (e.g. China) have higher levels of perfect pitch than children from cultures that speak non-tone languages (e.g. English).

My seventeen year old son is enormously more musically talented than me (and even more so than his mother), but: (1) he's been constantly exposed to music from a wide range of genres since he was in the womb; (2) he's been having weekly guitar lessons for over ten years; (3) he's also had some piano lessons; (4) he's also had some drum lessons; (5) he's also had some singing lessons; (6) he's been playing in bands since he was twelve; (7) he's doing A Level Music (8) etc. However, his great-uncle played violin in the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, so I guess it must definitely be hereditary.

[quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1322166367' post='1447552'] I recently posted a thread about talent...is it inherited? Earlier this evening I visited a couple (my ex-wife and her hubby) who are both talented musicians (sax and piano). Their 8-year-old daughter was eager to perform her skills for me on clarinet and piano. She played faultlessly. I asked her parents how long she had been playing. Apparently since September. I thought she might have put in around an hour a night to reach her standard of playing. No...5 to 10 mins a night. This has firmly convinced me that talent is definitely hereditary. Any similar stories? [/quote] Why would that convince you that talent was hereditary?