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It's a really great bass line, I used it to audition to get into Uni 6 years back along with a Jamerson bass part. I tend not to get too caught up in the complications of the bass part, it's far too extensive and I've never had the time to bother really! [quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1345065973' post='1773223'] Never heard it before. I'm just waiting to hear if there's a part that De La Soul sampled or something (that's the only reason I know what 'Peg' sounds like). So far I don't like it. It doesn't seem to go anywhere, or have any killer hook or anything. Maybe why De La Soul never sampled it. [/quote] If it's hip-hop you like to relate a song to, then someone bigger than De La Soul sampled it a few years back. I disagree on it not being hooky, I reckon the chorus is definitely a strong hook, albeit a specific type of hook. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAP02bbwvO0[/media]

[quote name='dincz' timestamp='1345050543' post='1772911'] To turn that around, how close can you get to a P sound with the right EQ, strings and pickups on a non-P bass? [/quote] In my experience, you can't really. It's why you'll see guys who are recording a lot with Jazz style basses always have a P style bass as well because a lot of engineers and producers love that sound. The sound of the P-Bass is unique because of the position of the pickup on the body essentially. Rolling off the bridge pickup of a Jazz bass won't result in a Precision style sound because the neck pickup is too close to the neck, you can only get that P sound with the pickup located in the correct place.

[quote name='Jigster' timestamp='1345029551' post='1772479'] always feels right, but too boomy [/quote] Depends how you EQ it, string it and what pickups you've got in it.

Been using D'Addario nickels for a while now, everything else seems terribly overpriced to me!

Great idea, I liked the Warwick hollowbody. Incidentally this was the song that really got me working hard at playing bass, Zender was my big inspiration and I really think the bass part on that particular tune is inspired.

Wonderful looking thing Kev. I'd love to know how it sounds.

Funny, I was only thinking about this the other day! I would guess over 1000 now.

If money were no object, I'd love to pick up a mid 70's Jazz with a colour scheme I really loved, have plenty of work done on it and have it set up to my spec and play it as my main bass. I like stuff with history and that 'worn in' look to it. It's a classic instrument! The problem with that era of Fenders is that their QC was so hit and miss, hence why 'if money were no object part'. I find modern Fenders uninspiring unfortunately (I think it's psychological), and can't see myself picking up another anytime soon.

It's really annoying but I generally consider leads as collateral and replace them once they've totally worn out, usually after a year or two.

Never too satisfied with just playing bass! Playing much more acoustic guitar nowadays, mainly for songwriting and such. Usually having a mess around in Ableton as well, I'm a big electronica fan without the time or patience to really properly apply myself at learning the skills necessary to create that kind of music!

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1343830275' post='1755922'] I use fretless exclusively with one of the cover bands - Kasabian, Biffy Clyro, Foo Fighters... If it was good enough for Boz Burrell, it's good enough for me. [/quote] Fair enough but like I say, my fretless doesn't sit so well with my own band, at least to my ears. I will probably give it another shot soonish though.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1343814712' post='1755512'] You are begging the question. You can't prove 'nature' comes before 'nurture' by assuming that 'no one plays like that without being intrinsically musical' (i.e. 'nature' comes before 'nurture') [/quote] I guess I'm just challenging the idea, but you're certainly right about the lack of certainty behind it all, I agree. [quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1343820487' post='1755665'] Having said that, I do believe that some people possess that....lets call it..... "little extra" to begin with, that sets them apart from their peers. Others, besides Jamerson, whom IMO possessed this little extra, were the likes of Charlie Parker and Coltrane. [/quote] I strongly believe in this as well amongst such a chicken/egg style argument.

[quote name='AndyBob09' timestamp='1343811914' post='1755461'] "The gift he was given"?!?! Please! Not one of us has a gift. Jamerson didn't have a gift, Jaco, Mark King, Wooten, Marcus - They don't have gifts. They sit and shed for HOURS. You see them on stage and hear them on a record for a moment, what you don't see is their lifetime of dedication to make that moment seem so effortless. Gift indeed! [/quote] Nature vs. nurture. The verdict is still out on this right? Obviously it's a healthy dose of both for the best players out there, but I can't help feeling that with someone like Jamerson, it must have been the way he was wired. No one plays like that without being intrinsically musical, the hard work of 'shedding' comes after.

[quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1343723295' post='1754036'] Jeff Ament? [/quote] I'm not saying 'don't play rock with a fretless'. I'm saying it will never work for me personally.

If I didn't play in a rock band or perhaps mostly played on ballad-type tunes then I'd be happy as a fretless player as well. Best of luck to you.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1343378380' post='1749683'] They both slap, its just LG is unfathomably funky, whereas LJ overblows it a tad and although very impressive (especially at the time) is just not as greasy fried chicken/illicit nookie in the back seat funky as LG - IMO.... [/quote] Louis Johnson was better on record than by himself. Example: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTBcOWmmHGI[/media] I prefer Louis Johnson's playing overall, he always just struck me as a much more competent player on record than Larry was, and not just as a slap player. But I think they're both great and they both have their place.

I think to the people making the outlandish negative statements concerning Joy Division's influence on music are probably barking up the wrong tree. They laid the blueprint for a lot of other bands that came after them. It's not easy music to get into though, and they are perhaps difficult to like. Ian Curtis had a fine mind and he was a great lyricist, more of a poet actually. Peter Hook is what he is. I wouldn't describe him as a brilliant bass player but as we well know, perfection isn't everything. He's distinct and has had a big influence on a lot of players.

[quote name='OliverBlackman' timestamp='1342959104' post='1743111'] I think it could be a lot better. For example there were a few mistakes. When your in the recording studio and you make a mistake, you stop and re record it. I think the same should be done for tuition videos. [/quote] I'll tell you why that's probably the wrong way to do it and how the two things you mention aren't comparable. The continuous flow of Scott's dialogue during the course of the video, mistakes or none, represents an easy way for the viewer to relate to a much more real and almost interactive lesson. Perfection means nothing, as no one is perfect. Watching someone like Scott make mistakes and then to go back and correct them just means that he's being honest with himself and honest with the viewer. You've got to remember with videos like Scott's, it's about the way he goes about communicating with you rather than how perfect his playing is. If he's able to get across a particular point or idea to you, then he's done a good job. The mistakes make the video far more visceral for the viewer.

I don't really watch that many Youtube bass lessons and haven't done for a number of years but Scott Devine's stuff is really very good. His explanation of the theory involved behind what he's doing in that particular video two posts up is clear and concise, and good for beginners to get to grips with.

Whilst I would encourage anyone and everyone who's ever held a bass to listen to James Jamerson, I don't think you'll greatly benefit from shedding too hard with your Jamerson parts in relation to what you're trying to aim for here. This is essentially what gets classified as 'neo-soul', and I would strongly recommend listening to Pino Palladino's bass playing with Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Roy Hargrove and Bilal... there are plenty of others too. Another guy would be Adam Blackstone. Here he is in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=1GcWhIb7Hpw

[quote name='merello' timestamp='1342625200' post='1738127'] Bloody excellent mate! [/quote] Thank you, and to Flyfisher too! [quote name='Protium' timestamp='1342630529' post='1738310'] A "Beatles Experience" that involves music of The Beatles? What did you expect? Felt like they were "cashing in on the memory of the Beatles", this has got to be a wind up surely? [/quote] I must admit I do find it a little odd that people find it difficult to understand why the Cavern feels the need to 'cash in' on the Beatles. They're a very large part of Liverpool history, it's to be completely expected. And for those who aren't interested (of which I'm sure there will be many), there are plenty of other venues in Liverpool that have live music. Like Ste pointed out, the current resident band at Hannah's are brilliant (I've seen 'em twice now, just a great bunch of lads and one lady too).

Aghh you came a few weeks too late! We have a residency at the Cavern Club every other Sunday but we've been in Sweden playing. We're not a 'Beatles' cover band by any stretch of the imagination but we do a fair few Beatles tunes, plus a load of British rock tunes as well. Monday isn't a busy night in any city in England apart from London, so I'm hardly surprised you didn't get any live music on the night. The Cavern Club is what it is... a shrine to the Beatles. It's a tourist trap, but I happen to think that you probably just got very unlucky with the days that you chose to go, it's usually pretty lively. Sunday afternoons are usually best. Here's my band playing one of our regular slots. Sorry you had no luck this time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjYlyGQrfk&feature=relmfu

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1342623399' post='1738078'] Nothing like making a new member feel welcome You guys are clearly even more jaded than me [/quote] I'm with you on this one. It's frustrating getting asked the same questions all the time but it's a pet peeve of mine to see experienced board members point people in the direction of the 'search' function when it's obvious that the OP is just wanting to get some advice and is most likely unaware of how seriously we can take ourselves from time to time! Get over it boys, answer the question. My (short) answer is to play with both, and to press home how unimportant it is that pick playing might well be seen as the less 'professional' way to do things. What a load of nonsense!

It's obviously a totally misguided point of view. The point being that whilst the instruments are certainly related and tuned similarly and even bare obvious aesthetic similarities, they are completely different to play in almost every way. It requires two totally different mindsets which are both hugely difficult to learn. Actually BRX summed it up anyway: [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1342376075' post='1733991'] Who cares? The most important thing is to be a good songwriter. Without songs there's nothing for any instrument to play. [/quote]