TimR

I have a 2B as my spare. It lacks bottom end but it's a very smooth bass with low action and built solidly. Bought new around 1987.

[quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1456770005' post='2992096'] We'll have to disagree. If you can't be bothered to learn the correct notes which notes are you learning? Imaginary ones? Do you miss the ones that take too much effort? [/quote] The vast majority of bass lines follow standard musical theory. There's very little need to learn anything other than the chords. The rest are just passing notes and filling.

[quote name='Clarebear68' timestamp='1456761938' post='2991971'] IMO, unless it's a tribute act, then it's all down to artistic choices ... and as long as both the band and the audience enjoys it, isn't that what really matters? I used to play in an 80s covers band and we'd often spend weeks of rehearsals getting a song as close as we could to the original and the audience wouldn't really notice and then we'd play a punked up version of something like 'Walk Like an Egyptian' ... as far from the original as you could get (even had a male vocalist) and they'd be asking us to play it 2 or 3 times, they liked it that much. [/quote] Yes I've been there too and it's seriously painful. Especially when one person insists everyone else gets it exactly right and then decides to drop a middle 8 because it's too tricky and they can't be bothered to work on it. Learn the chord structure, the melody and the form. Most songs are pretty simple, going into minutiae about what the exact original notes are seems OCD. .

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1456687132' post='2991454'] Yeah, but also just cos everything else lifts doesn't mean you should. Contrary motion, counterpoint etc all valid musical devices. I'm not saying you're wrong as i've never listened to the song you are on about. But musically i like things moving in different directions. [/quote] It's just during the chorus. 1:38 on here. http://youtu.be/vi7cuAjArRs

[quote name='barneyg42' timestamp='1456678508' post='2991308'] I'm sure David Gilmour would have said if he didn't like it!! [/quote] Maybe. But he's not a bass player and it's a live performance.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1456655501' post='2991014'] I don't know what you're all listening to, but I'm listening to Guy Pratt playing a 5 string status with Pink Floyd in 1994. Sounds like perfect 5 string bass playing to me. [/quote] It's the last note of the verse. Everything lifts into the chorus. Except the bass. Just because you can play a note doesn't mean you should.

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1456601072' post='2990683'] It differs from the original in two places, I think - in the first instrumental he goes from low B to the A G F# E run down, and in the choruses, the second time through the D A D A he plays the low rather than the high D. The bit in the instrumental sounds wrong to me, I can see the logic of what he's doing in the chorus though as in that part the melody rises from D to A rather than falling. [/quote] It's the last note of each verse that's wrong, the vocals lift going into the chorus.

Many players over-obsess about getting the parts exactly as per the original.

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1456503843' post='2989787'] Maybe... although Mr Gilmour seems like a no-nonsense guy and I don't imagine he'd hesitate in reining Guy in if he thought it necessary. The thought of using a newfangled five-string might not have occurred when recording the original! [/quote] The original was written and performed by Waters. There are plenty of songs I play E on the seventh fret as that's the direction that the melody is leading. When you play legato notes under a melody, your note choice is very important.

Guy Pratt plays a 5-String on Pulse. In comfortably numb he has gratutitously overused the bottom string. Don't know what note it is but all the chords and the melody line ascends - giving the song a lift, while the bass note tries to drag the song down. That's not an accidental wrong note, that's a bad choice. IMO.

[quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1456408593' post='2988687'] I've always thought of covers as interpretations of other people's songs. I don't try to replicate what somebody else has done and don't listen to songs much before we try them out. I play what I think fits and then have a proper listen to the original. Guitarist does the same and we sometimes prefer what we have come up with. Some bits have t be spot on of course. I once played in a band where the guitarist (who was a complete control freak) once said to me "The bass part doesn't go like that" to which I replied " It f***ing does when I'm playing it". I think tribute bands need to be as close as possible to the original, but covers? Would be bored stupid trying to get everything note for note. [/quote] Quite. What did musicians do before recording was invented?

[quote name='colgraff' timestamp='1456179686' post='2986429'] The interview was a good 25+ years ago so my memory isn't great, but I think this was in the context of the band are good to go, but Mr Bowie might get the verses wrong, forget the words, etc. and how o keep the show running smoothly when that happens. After all, with his history of drug abuse it was probably a wise contingency. [/quote] Sure. Maybe if you've put a band together just for a tour and they're not used to playing together you might need to discuss a general 'understanding' between everyone. Maybe which tunes you stop and start again and which tunes you just carry on regardless. However, I suspect there is a huge 'control' factor going on with a lot of the stars. I played with a bit of an egomaniacal keyboard/singer/songwriter, the amount of micro-managing he did to each song was unreal, and totally unjustified IMO, but then it's his show and he's paying the players. Different strokes etc...

[quote name='colgraff' timestamp='1456078468' post='2985182'] Re LED heat. I love that LEDs give off virtually no heat. As I get older, I appreciate cooler stages. Having said that, it took me a little time to remember not to look directly at an LED light. Going temporarily blind adds an entertainingly random element to my playing. [/quote] I used to have some colour bars that were incredibly bright. I try to get them as high up as possible. I plugged a leaser in once and then pushed the stand up while it was on. Got a face full of laser effects as it went past. Thought I'd done irreparable damage to my eyes!

[quote name='Maude' timestamp='1456075953' post='2985155'] I used to use a pair of kitchen lights, the round type with three individually angled spotlights. Put different coloured bulbs in them and a length of cable with a three pin plug. One either side of the stage, one colour aimed across the floor, one colour aimed at the ceiling and the other at the drum kit, looked really good all for about thirty quid. Was ok until a drunk bloke fell over and put his hand on top of the bulbs to help himself up, the bits of skin left on the bulbs smelt horrible not that problem with LEDs nowadays. [/quote] Yes. I did get a bit jumpy at some gigs. Always worried about using 'homemade' gear. Wondering about getting it PAT tested and whether it's covered under PLI.

I wouldn't even consider playing a wedding or party with our current set. Having said that; we have played two parties for 'fans'. So they knew what they wanted and got exactly that. We just aren't a funk/party/pop band. And conversely the function band I was in wouldn't even consider playing a pub. YMMV .

[quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1456007920' post='2984556'] Felt really sorry for him that night. [/quote] Embarrassing all round. Wonder why they didn't cancel.

I haven't seen the foot-c yet but usually the 6 channels would refer to the number of channels on each page. That means that if you set your fixture to address 1 you use channels 1-6 on the foot controller page 1, then channel 7 will be the first one on page 2. Ideally you would then set the next fixture to address 13 and the foot controller would then control that fixture from 13-18 (page 3) and 19 would be channel 1 on page 4. That should keep it more simple. Hope that makes sense. Usually fixtures are 6 or 12 channel. I would set the fixtures to 4 channel mode and get the Footc to do the fade and strobe. Each fixture then fits on one page. .

It's amazing what you can build with a bit of imagination. Before the days of LED I built some light boxes. Painted the boxes black and fitted 240v standard ceiling lamp holders and coloured bulbs. Tilt towards the band and no one is any the wiser.

[quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1455989669' post='2984366'] I wonder if that's the band I auditioned for a few years back in Buntingford. It was quite a weird audition, with the drummer throwing up in a bin behind his kit. I didn't get the gig. [/quote] Ha no. I'm playing with them now. He's a really good drummer and an all round nice guy. He remembers that night. This was a band a long time ago now.

[quote name='ubit' timestamp='1455971486' post='2984085'] Trouble is, he is also my longest serving mate. Not really on the cards to chuck him out [/quote] I left 'my' band in the end as the co-founder of 10years was just getting worse. He was convinced it was everyone else. If the audience are complaining and you're not building a following because of him then you either get rid of him or you leave. Or you just put up with being in a band that's going nowhere. 'My' band is still going but they beg for gigs and don't get repeat bookings. They seem to be happy. .

[quote name='colgraff' timestamp='1455959919' post='2983900'] I remember seeing a Bowie interview around Serious Moonlight time. In it he mentioned the importance of having everything perfectly scripted for the live show. For EVERY song, there was a contingency plan for fluffs such as his forgetting a line or singing the wrong verse. [/quote] That seems a bit of an odd thing to spend time doing. I'd rather concentrate on rehearsing the tunes that are likely to go wrong so that they don't. Effective rehearsing is an art to itself. I've spent too long in bands who will only play the songs from start to finish. A complete waste of rehearsal time. You should be able to pick up a song just before it crashed and rehearse that same few bars several times so that everyone gets it into their muscle memory.

I have a Boss graphic EQ pedal and a Boss Chorus pedal. I also have an old Zoom 506. I haven't used any of them in about 10years. I can't justify them to myself - let alone to you guys.

Ah. Doh! It's only the controller that's WiFi. All the processing and mixing is done in the mixer. Hard wired. If the wifi crashes it's no biggie, the hardware must just stay at its last known settings. Obvious really.

[quote name='vsmith1' timestamp='1455878362' post='2983163'] There are different wireless technologies: the wireless tablet/smartphone to desk is using WiFi. The Bluetooth headset is a different wireless. Most wireless IEM use another set of wireless technologies. None of the desks mentioned have Bluetooth, so on that basis I'd say no you could not just use a Bluetooth headset. I also recall that the latency for Bluetooth is greater than what is usually used for wireless IEMs. And latency, i.e. that time delay between sound creation and hearing will be a big issue for IEMs. [/quote] Thanks. I just googled Bluetooth IEM and the latency is 26-40ms! So are there wifi IEMs- more googling...

How do the iem work? Can you just use Bluetooth headsets?