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[quote name='EBS_freak' post='500906' date='May 29 2009, 01:42 PM']Its in WH Smiths. I dont know if you want to bother though...[/quote] Hahaha. Well in theory I have to pop out anyway - I was just going to be lazy and not go unless there was a chance of finding BGM.

Anyone know if it's in the shops yet? Debating whether to take a drive to Borders or not.

Buy a Warwick. I just inadvertently smashed (and I do mean smashed) the chandelier with the headstock of the Vampyre. Not so much as a scratch in the paintwork.

Don't know if there's any Nightwish fans in here. But Tuomas (keyboardist, songwriter, band leader) once decided to sack his old friend and bass player. He couldn't face doing it himself so had the label management do it. *sigh* On a later documentary he spends ages whinging about how he wished he had done it to the guy's face and how it's one of his biggest regrets. Fast forward a few years and he sacks the vocalist (Tarja) by letter. Pathetic. But otherwise seems like a cool guy.

Just heard back from support. Apparently in GP6 you will be able to change a setting that will display the actual notes being played.

[quote]Rests are imaginary[/quote] Hahahaha. Class.

Sorry to hear that mate.

[quote name='dlloyd' post='500059' date='May 28 2009, 05:14 PM']You could remove rhythm altogether...[/quote] A notation system designed for drummers you mean?

Great posts guys. No bar lines makes a lot of sense to me. So I'll add to my reform of standard notation by removing them.

[quote name='dlloyd' post='499860' date='May 28 2009, 12:53 PM']Because the people who came up with the whole note, half note system had never heard of a breve before.[/quote] Who came up with the numeric time signatures though? Since e.g. 8 refers to its eighth status as part of a semibreve. Maybe that was done at the same time that the proper names for notes weren't good enough for someone? I don't know. Can we all accept that my new numbering is a far better solution? Proposal One: Whole note (breve) Half note (semi-breve) Quarter note (minim) Eighth note (crotchett) 16th (quaver) 32th (semi quaver) 64th (demisemiquaver) 128th (hemidemisemiquaver) Or Proposal Two: Everyone uses the proper names and time signatures are written as beats over note name e.g. 4/C - 4 crotchetts 3/Q - 3 quavers 2/M - 2 minims 2/S - 2 semibreves 2/er... S... - 2 semiquavers. f***! Er... Who uses 2/8 anyway!!!

[quote name='MacDaddy' post='499879' date='May 28 2009, 01:13 PM']but that's my point you can't ignore triplets or you are ignoring triplet time and the values change. The value of an 8th should be constant, but obviously it isn't which is why 6 quaver beats to a bar makes sense to me.[/quote] I'll accept that the time signatures for compound time seem a little weird. But if it (and it does - unless my proposal above is accepted) make sense to use an 8 for quavers (since there's supposed to be eight of them in a semibreve in simple time) and compound time is written in quavers then you have to still use 8 so it's clear that quavers are the basis. If you used C,Q etc. instead of 4,8 et al it makes sense right? 6/Q, 3/C, 4/C But then the non-itallian speakers would complain. [quote]Bearing in mind how some recent threads have gone, isn't nice that we can disagree and all be perfectly pleasant about it [/quote] Absolutely. Aside from anything else, there's no sense falling out over something we can't change. Edit: And something which is fun to talk about but really doesn't matter that much.

[quote name='shinhoman' post='499847' date='May 28 2009, 12:40 PM']is it to similar for it to be different though?[/quote] No. It's similar enough to fit in to that family but doesn't look like a copy to me.

I think you met your objectives - top one looks Fendery.

A better question might be this... If a semi breve (semi originally meaning half) is half of a breve (which it is). Why are the rest of the notes based on this and not based on the breve which would be the whole. It should be Whole note (breve) Half note (semi-breve) Quarter note (minim) Eighth note (crotchett) 16th (quaver) 32th (semi quaver) 64th (demisemiquaver) 128th (hemidemisemiquaver)

[quote name='MacDaddy' post='499738' date='May 28 2009, 10:48 AM']but only in 4/4 do they have the value of an 8th. In 6/8 they have the value of a 6th. I can see I'm fighting a losing battle here [/quote] Yes, because you're applying a fraction to a different data set than everyone else. It's the way the notation system currency works, and it isn't related to the meter of a particular track. (Ignoring triplets etc.) A semibreve divides in half to create two minims. A semibreve divides in quarters to create four crotchetts A semibreve divides into eighths to create eight quavers. Just like a pound divides into 100 pence. Always. Irrespective of how much money you have in your pocket.

Does this mean a load of people in Asia are currently missing their fireplaces? Edit: Sorry, didn't notice it wasn't made in Asia.

[quote name='MacDaddy' post='499635' date='May 28 2009, 10:06 AM']They are only 8ths when you have 8.[/quote] ? They're all eighths of a semi-breve. Edit: regardless of how many there are in a bar.

[quote name='velvetkevorkian' post='490121' date='May 16 2009, 08:38 PM']Which is why I prefer to use crotchets, quavers etc- bypasses the whole issue! [/quote] +1 I hate fractions. Now, I'm sure I remember reading that once upon a time there was none of this 15 over 16 crapola. They used symbols to represent time signatures and I think we should bring that back. (Anyone who's had more than one cup of coffee this morning will probably be screaming "common time"/"alla breve" at the screen. Since of course, we do have two of those symbols left).

I'll read it later. If a document starts by talking about brain synapses at twenty past eleven at night, I have no chance of getting through it. But it does look like it could be interesting.

Have you tried moving the control surface midi device up in the list in Options -> Midi Devices? Sounds like Sonar just isn't expecting to hear control information from the device if the POD is loaded first. If the keyboard functions still work then obviously having the two midi devices on together isn't the issue. I honestly can't remember how to configure multiple control surfaces properly so probably won't be much to use to you. I used to hang around the Cakewalk Sonar forum though and I'd be surprised if the wise folks there couldn't help you get these things configured.

Yup. *sigh* I think I'll email the developers. If not, I guess maybe I have to consider going back and trying out other options (sick of installating/uninstalling software here) like using a full scoring package. I have Finale on another machine which will probably do it as I think the tab would be a completely independent staff - but its a shame because GP seemed so good for me when it came to doing bass transcriptions with a high quality output.

[quote name='Oscar South' post='499267' date='May 27 2009, 08:31 PM']I always find that if you just sit down and start working out notes it can be time consuming and tedious, if you take the song apart structurally first then you're usually done in a quarter the time when you actually start working out specific notes/chords.[/quote] Yeah that's a good idea actually. I do seem to "waste" a lot of time when transcribing on activities which don't involve figuring out sounds and are more down to the structure. It would also save me a bucket load of time when it comes to laying the thing out in software. [quote name='mcgraham' post='499349' date='May 27 2009, 09:57 PM']Umm, do just that? Listen to the song and slowly figure them out one by one. Chord structures of songs are a good start, then progressively more complicated ones. Try singing melodies and visualising the notes/intervals and fingering in your head (or even on staff paper). Again, start simple and work on to harder stuff. Nothing that a bit of hard graft can't accomplish![/quote] Hmm... you could be on to something. I suppose I've never really tried in the sense of putting effort in; whilst all the other stuff I've been doing (theory, ear training etc.) means I should at least have some of the basic tools for the job (or be on my way to getting them). I'll give it a whirl. The benefits to me would be huge if I managed it (way beyond just something to fill in time whilst at work). Thanks guys, I really appreciate the suggestions from both of you here.

I'm usually more of a scrawl on notation paper kind of guy but recently started doing more transcriptions practice and decided to do it neatly in software. Because I decided I wanted tab as well (not 100% sure why but hey), I've ended up with Guitar Pro and it does seem to be perfectly suited for the task. However, the one thing I hate (with a passion) is when detuned guitars are written in standard pitches to match the tab. I know a lot of people do it but I would personally rather see the actual notes being played. Is there anyway in GP I can transpose the notation down a major third but leave the tab fingerings as they are? E.g. so that a 2 on the 3rd string displays a G not a B? I have a feeling the answer will be no, but figured it was worth asking.

Personally I'd hope someone else tries it first and lets you know.