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Which basses can genuinely be called rare or vintage ?
Bassassin replied to far0n's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='coasterbass' post='267495' date='Aug 22 2008, 12:26 AM']i apologise for the extemely patronising tone of my last post having read it back[/quote] Nothing to apologise for - I do agree that we should be out playing the things, not hoarding 'em! The sad fact of my "career" is that I've probably made more money selling "rare & vintage" (cough) basses & g*it*rs than I have playing, writing or recording with the bloody things! :ph34r: Jon. -
I picked this up from a pawn shop for buttons a few years ago, with a view to a bit of Ebay profiteering. I'm not proud: [attachment=12515:CSLoriginal.jpg] However, even with rotten, dead strings, misaligned bridge, banana-shaped neck, and 25 years of filth on it - the moment I sat down & played it - [i]everything[/i] felt right. I've owned & played some really nice instruments over the years, but this thing has something indefinable that nothing else does - and it's my no. 1 bass, and now looks more like this: [attachment=12516:CSL2008.jpg] If I had to sell the lot & keep just one, it would be this, no question. Jon.
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Saw that earlier myself. very striking looking. He says "hand-built in the UK", I'd take that to mean bolted together here - not that that's a bad thing. I'm curious as to what that sounds like with those big Mudbuckers mounted where they are, and aesthetically, the only thing I don't like is the big MM-type bent tin bridge - but that's really just a detail. Doubt I'd've put speed knobs on it, either, though. He's saying £175 or best offer - he might go down to £150 or so. EDIT: Actually, £160 shipped! [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=25921&st=0&#entry267307"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=...mp;#entry267307[/url] Jon.
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Which basses can genuinely be called rare or vintage ?
Bassassin replied to far0n's topic in General Discussion
Using Far0n's original example - I'd say a bass like an Ibanez Musician [i]is[/i] a vintage & rare instrument. Vintage is hard to define in this context, but the Musician is a bass which is very much of a particular era, the model's long-since discontinued, and is becoming collectable & sought-after enough to command increasingly high prices. This is true of other Japanese-made instruments from the 70s & 80s. This doesn't exactly put them in the same ballpark as pre-CBS Fenders, for example - and I doubt they ever will be - but I don't think the words "vintage" & "rare" necessarily imply enormous value, just scarcity & a degree of collectability. For the record, the vintagest & rarest bass I own is one of these: A Ned Callan from about 1972. I have no idea what it's worth - this one being cradled by The Ox is the only other one I've ever seen & I don't even know a model name/number for it. Mine's branded as CMI - Cleartone Musical Instruments, who sourced from Ned Callan (really luthier Peter Cook) before they started importing JapCrap. I really like old basses. Jon. -
international musician mags
Bassassin replied to jhk's topic in Accessories & Other Musically Related Items For Sale
[quote name='stingrayfan' post='265970' date='Aug 19 2008, 11:20 PM']Flashback...I grew up reading these when I should have been buying Razzle.[/quote] Heh - same here, I had every issue from about 1982 until it folded in (I think) the late 80s. Had some utterly vicious demo reviews from them too! I think I've still got about 6000 copies of the old [i]Making Music[/i] freesheet from the 80s & 90s - or [i]Mark King Music[/i], as it became known, since he seemed to be on the cover of every second issue! Jon -
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ibanez artist guitar
Bassassin replied to TGEvans's topic in Accessories & Other Musically Related Items For Sale
[quote name='TGEvans' post='265629' date='Aug 19 2008, 04:19 PM']do not have the original pickups sorry, but they aint too hard to get hold of, if you give me your email i will sort some pics for you,tim[/quote] No need mate, did some digging & found a pic from an earlier thread: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7494"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7494[/url] Looks great for a player guitar, but would be hard going for a collector. I think it's an [url="http://www.ibanez.co.jp/anniversary/expansion.php?cat_id=89&now=10"]Ibanez AR100[/url], from about 1983 - the first two numbers in the serial are the year. Judging from the lack of screwholes from the original tailpiece plate, it's had a refin. Shame, the only original hardware appears to be the pickup rings, and they've been modified. Realistically to source & replace all the original hardware would cost more than what you're asking for the guitar - even the original Sure-Grip control knobs go for about £30 a pop. The pickups would have been Ibanez Super 58s - if you know where you can find these, there are a few hundred people on the Ibanez Collectors World forum who'd bite your arm off to share that info! Still, I think it's a fair price for its non-original condition, I think it would easily get that or more on Ebay, some people go mental over anything vintage with an Ibby badge! Jon. -
That body's like a less radical [url="http://web.onetel.com/~hairymattp/bass_pics/vester3_small.jpg"]Vester Argus[/url]. Shame the pics aren't a bit better - looks interesting. Jon.
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[quote name='thebeat' post='264988' date='Aug 18 2008, 10:06 PM']I might be wrong here, but i'm almost sure that i've read on the Rickresource forums that Jetglos have a blue basecoat?[/quote] I stand corrected if so! Still think it's pricey, though. J.
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Firstly, I think that's an awful lot for a refin'd late 70s 4001. If you look around you can pick up a new or recent 4003 for less, and I don't think there's anything particularly collectable about that vintage. I don't think a factory finish Jetglo would have blue underneath, so I think you can be 99% sure it's a refin. Ironic, I think blue (Azureglo?) would be a much more unusual & potentially collectable colour. Rick serial numbers are on the jack plate - they are not obvious to decode - make a note of it & type it into RIC's serial decoder on their website: [url="http://www.rickenbacker.com/service_serials.asp"]http://www.rickenbacker.com/service_serials.asp[/url] If you are interested in this bass - or any other Rick, I'd strongly advise signing up to www.rickresource.com - incredibly knowledgeable bunch of people, I've found them to be very friendly & welcoming, and I collect JapCrap Rick copies! RR is also probably the best place for tracking down s/h Ricks in the US, if you decided to import one. Jon.
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ibanez artist guitar
Bassassin replied to TGEvans's topic in Accessories & Other Musically Related Items For Sale
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[quote name='NeonMig' post='264470' date='Aug 18 2008, 12:35 PM']And now they're about to be sued as well. Rickenbacker really goes over the top with such matters.[/quote] Rickenbacker doesn't really have a lot of luck in enforcing their trademark ownership anywhere outside the US, actually. That's probably OK because the only reason they have to do this is the way trademarking works over there - a mark owner (RIC, in this case) has to be seen [i]actively[/i] kicking the arse of every infringer - if they don't, they lose the exclusive right to use the trademark. Hence they [i]have[/i] to go after Ebay auctions & US based importers of copies - if they didn't then any bugger would be able to legally make & sell Rick copies. This is exactly why there are a million different Fender/Gibson knockoffs (usually apart from the headstocks - which [i]are[/i] protected trademarks) but comparatively few Ricks. Ebay auctions in the UK & elsewhere get pulled down because Ebay's a US company, and would suffer the Wrath Of RIC if they didn't. There's probably not a lot RIC can do beyond blow hot air & chuck out cease & desists to other overseas infringers, because international law is different to US & the process would be long & very expensive for a small business like RIC. What they do is probably enough, though. Given that Rickenbacker has stayed small & family-owned, and they sell a unique & well-made niche product - and still remain [i]fairly[/i] competitively-priced, compared to other US-made instruments, I think it's overall a good thing they've hung onto their trademarks so far. Even though John Hall seems to be an arrogant, hostile cock. Jon.
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1989 Ibanez SR800 Fretless, Japanese, near-new condition
Bassassin replied to Bassassin's topic in Basses For Sale
Well - it went through Ebay, with lots of interest / watchers (on a BIN - why? ) but no commitment. Same as here, really. If anyone wants to make a [i]sensible[/i] offer in the ballpark of what I was originally looking for (£260 + £15 post) let me know. Otherwise it'll be back on Fleabay come Thursday. Meh. J. -
I think it's a really striking looking one-off / custom type bass - it just [i]really[/i] annoys me when people try & pass something like this off as something it blatantly isn't. Jon.
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[quote name='joegarcia' post='264024' date='Aug 17 2008, 05:26 PM']Just made an offer on the Gordon Smith. Means I'll have to sell one of my beloved basses but I reckon I'll get more use out of the Gordon Smith... Hopefully.[/quote] Aaaaaand - sold to the cell-shaded man with the moustache & biceps! Be sure & post lots of pics when it arrives! What will you be selling to compensate? Give you a tenner for the Joodee P. J.
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That chrome trc is very like the ones we find on old JapCrap Fender copies. Apart from that, there's a zero-fret, & the headstock looks like it [i]might[/i] be made of that odd strip-ply stuff used on early orientals. I'll reserve judgement until Wayne gets better pics - but there were a few odd Vox-branded things around, so anything's possible... Jon.
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If you'll indulge me a bit here in Pedant's Corner - the whole "lawsuit" thing is a misnomer - no court cases ever happened. This was because by the time Norlin (70s parent company of Gibson) got around to threatening legal action against Elger/Hoshino (Ibanez brand owner) they had already changed the design of the "infringing" element of their Gibbo copies, which was the headstock. This acted as an incentive though, for other manufacturers & importers of Jap copies to pack it in & concentrate on original designs. The eventual result of this was really that pretty much everyone - pro or amateur - by the late 70s/early 80s played, and often endorsed, Japanese instruments. Interesting to note that the Japanese factories only stopped [i]exporting[/i] copies; they never actually stopped making them. Which leads onto interesting fact number two: the American companies - who had been rapidly losing market share based on overpriced & inferior product - decided "if you can't beat 'em - join 'em" and started outsourcing production to Japan. Fender chose Fujigen Gakki as manufacturer of MIJ Squiers, and later, Fenders - the same factory which built 70s and 80s Ibanez. Fender Japan is run by Kanda Shokai - owner of the Greco "lawsuit" brand, and currently many CIJ Fenders are built by Tokai! Anyway, I have an unashamedly massive hardon for 70s & 80s Japanese instruments, predominantly because many of them are so damn good. One of my favourite basses at the moment is a 1982 Ibanez RS924 Roadster - which sounds [i]phenomenally[/i] good & plays like a dream. Weighs a ton, though! Jon.
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FS: BC-Rich Japanese NJ Eagle IN PINK REDUCED to 120!
Bassassin replied to Shockwave's topic in Basses For Sale
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I played one a couple of years ago at Music Live - it sounded & felt nothing like a real Rick (or good copy) and the overall impression was budget bass - not at all good when the price tag was over £500. I was also quite put out by "Mr Indie Guitars", whose attitude was both cynical & ignorant. £370 is a little less painful, I suppose but it's really a generic Korean bass with a Rick body shape, rather than an in any way faithful copy. Construction of these is set-neck, not neckthrough. There are better & more accurate copies around, if you look - the Shine is a lot more realistic, and has a nice set of Seymour Duncan Rick pups as well: [url="http://www.tiptop.se/cgi-bin/multipage.cgi?id=2522"]http://www.tiptop.se/cgi-bin/multipage.cgi?id=2522[/url] These are available in a variety of pretty finishes too. I'd always recommend old JapCrap - like this one that's being sold right here: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=25735"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=25735[/url] Jon.
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Here's a nice, and interesting for geeks - Ibanez 2388b, from 1976. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160272954793"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=160272954793[/url] This is interesting in that it seems to be a "transitional" version between the early ones with mudbuckers & full-width inlays, and the more accurate later versions. This has small inlays & an accurate bridge position hi-gain copy & surround, but still has the little chrome humbucker-looking single coil in the neck. The mono output & tiny checker binding are common to all Ibanez Rick copies.as far as I've seen. But it's eye-wateringly pricey at £450. J.
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[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='263735' date='Aug 16 2008, 08:47 PM']Stumbled across this on EvilBay.... [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120292115553"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=120292115553[/url] I am completely ignorant about Ibanez basses, that is don't know what models are cheap/expensive good/bad. This looks gorgeous though. Anybody know anything about it?[/quote] I know everything about it & everything in the ad's true - as is everything on my original BC pitch. And it's [i]much[/i] prettier in real life. If you wanted to come through from WeegieLand you're quite welcome to collect in person - I [i]hate[/i] packing basses to post! Jon.
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[quote name='joegarcia' post='263628' date='Aug 16 2008, 03:36 PM']Should I be wary of this seller at all? People don't seem to speak very favorably of him on here.[/quote] I think it's just his propensity for picking up stuff cheap then sticking it back on at a substantial markup - seems a bit blatant, I suppose. At least if I do this I wait until the original auction's expired! (Actually I should amend that - 99p & no reserve, me. Usually.) Ashdigits has good feedback & has been knocking around Ebay for years - so I'd say if you don't mind the markup - go for it. J.
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Not a Matsumoku or Fujigen, and probably not a Fresher, because the brand is virtually unknown in the UK. The wiring is probably a modification (on both basses mentioned) - it's unlikely it would come out of the factory like that. And I'm sorry but it's absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Ibanez - apart from in the sense that pretty much anyone trying to sell an unbranded 70s Japanese copy will swear blind it's an Ibanez. It's not. It was probably born wearing a Shaftesbury logo, and was - [i]possibly[/i] - made at the Maya/Rokkomann factory in Kobe. Maya is the only brand with a known provenance that I've seen with this hardware configuration & neck-through construction - but there were almost certainly others the same that aren't identified yet - all the hardware is very generic (and accurate, apart from the tuners) & appears on various brands. The tuners are a style that turn up on all sorts of Japanese basses from the very early 70s to the mid 80s, and later even appear on some Korean instruments. These were even used on UK-made Shergolds! The scratchplate's not original (neither are the speed knobs!) the original would have been solid or translucent white - but this does look great in my opinion, in fact all in all it's a great looking bass, that's a stunning bit of birdseye in the neck. I'd guess that your G-string vibration is down to a couple of things - the saddle slots have been filed out to get the action low (being a through-neck, you can't do any shimming on these) and the back of the tailpiece - in very authentic Rickenbacker style - has lifted under years of string tension, meaning there's going to be very little break angle over the bridge. Probably the best all round fix would be a replacement bridge - a Hipshot might even allow the action to go lower. Overall, a very nice bass at a reasonable price - which unfortunately I can't afford! Any chance you'd do a straight swap for this? [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=23341"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=23341[/url] Jon.
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Great spot - [i]never[/i] seen one of those before. And a surprisingly reasonable price, I'd say, for a British luthier-built Rickencopy, even from the infamous Mr Digits! Hope someone on here picks it up. J.
