And it looks like I am a TI jazz flats fan, I got some Labella low tension flats, fitted them and they sounded immediately broken in, like most flats sound like after a few months but I missed the clarity of the TI's, they sound like flats but they sing in the high mids instead of being a dull thump like a lot of flats, the TI's are back on, it was a pricey experiment but if you don't try then you never know